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    Question Any ATS owner been to race track?

    Hi, I own CTS4 Wagon that I DD, and I'm seriously considering to pick up ATS-V probably at the end of next year as my DD AND Track car. (so I can sell my Corvette and pick up something as a true weekend toy car)

    I happen to have ATS4 2.0T with me today and I have track day tomorrow, so I decided to check out ATS's chassis on track.

    What should I expect? (obviously, it being AWD version, it's AT, so some random shifting is inevitable, I guess) Anyone experienced overheating? (I ran my CTS once on the track, and it overheated, and went into limp mode)
    Does anyone know which fuse I should pull to disable AWD?


    Having all season tires, AWD, and automatic, it won't be as much fun as Corvette, I would imagine, but trying different car on track is always fun.


    On a side note, I still don't like the HVAC/Audio controls - I want some physical buttons. I wish they would do this little differently before ATS-V hits the market.

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    Re: Any ATS owner been to race track?

    i took a loaner ats 2.5 on the track and it was very impressive. the AT was slow to respond. leave it in sport mode and dont bother with manual mode. its so slow to respond that its not worth it. in sport mode PAL engages very well and it actually works better than manual mode. the car i had (2.5) was super underpowered but in the turns it handles amazingly. very surprisingly. even with the all season tires, it somehow grips just fine. it had the none MRC suspension which still did just fine.

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    Re: Any ATS owner been to race track?

    Interesting question, but not sure you'll get too many responses since they are all still under warranty and this forum is monitored by the manufacturer.

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    Re: Any ATS owner been to race track?

    I'd leave the AWD, it can't hurt, I have a feeling that car is going to amaze you on the road course. I can't wait to get mine out there.

    I am loving the manual mode, with the awesome rev matching on downshifts, but I'd agree that leaving it in Sport mode should suffice. Disabling Stabilitrac/TC will let it get a little loose if/when you want it too as well.

    I'd love to hear what you think about it afterwards

    Good luck!
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    Re: Any ATS owner been to race track?

    Thanks for the response.
    The reason why I wanted to disable the AWD was because I hated the crazy understeer of CTS4 in mid-corner.
    With all season tires, all wheel drive, and being heavy wagon, my CTS4 was pushing like crazy.
    Hopefully, lighter weight of ATS will behave better on track.

    About the Stabilitrac: I turn off active handling on my Corvette. Speaking of Stablitrac, would holding the TC button long (like 5-8 sec.?) turn it off like on Corvettes (C6) and CTSs?

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    Re: Any ATS owner been to race track?

    Quote Originally Posted by jaymsu View Post
    Thanks for the response.
    The reason why I wanted to disable the AWD was because I hated the crazy understeer of CTS4 in mid-corner.
    With all season tires, all wheel drive, and being heavy wagon, my CTS4 was pushing like crazy.
    Hopefully, lighter weight of ATS will behave better on track.
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    About the Stabilitrac: I turn off active handling on my Corvette. Speaking of Stablitrac, would holding the TC button long (like 5-8 sec.?) turn it off like on Corvettes (C6) and CTSs?
    the rwd model has virtually no under steer that I have found yet, and it's a little tail happy even with TC on if you push it. It also has 50/50 weight balance, which will really shine out there.

    And yes...hold the TC button for about 5 seconds and you'll see the stabilitrack off light come on.

    Enjoy.
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    Re: Any ATS owner been to race track?

    I would not compare an ATS to the older CTS at all. My 2.0t rwd handles brilliantly. I'm sure there will be understeer, but dial that out as much as you can with tire pressures and your line.

    As far as I know, to completely defeat the nannies (at least on our car), you press the TC button once. Then you press and hold it for 5 seconds. That should put you out on your own. Enjoy!

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    Re: Any ATS owner been to race track?

    OK, here is the report on my "ATS experience on track".

    Day started out with rain. I got 2 sessions in rain, 1 session in damp condition, and 1 session in dry, so although it was not a perfect track weather, it was great opportunity to try out a car in different conditions.
    Knowing that I'm driving underpowered automatic AWD, with all season tires, I signed up to run in intermediate group.
    (I have videos of first 3 sessions - I'll post it on YouTube and post link here later)

    In rain, I was able to pass literally everyone in the group. Cold rainy weather and All season tires with AWD were perfect match. I was sliding around a lot in corners but it was very controllable.
    Brakes were stopping nicely, and I also found shifting logic very satisfying (I left in Sport mode Auto - didn't shift manually, taking donavo's advice), comparing it to CTS's shifting logic.
    In damp condition, it was pretty much same story. I could rotate the car with throttle pretty easily.
    (oh, all nannies were off - holding TC button for about 5 sec.)

    In dry, car started understeer a lot, mainly due to lack of tire grip on front - corner entering speed got lot higher and tire just couldn't keep up. If it had decent summer tires, it could've been lot more fun.
    Brakes were holding up better than I expected - I thought it would all melt away in dry session, but I had plenty left.

    Overall impression:
    1. Nimble chassis - very well balanced front and back. not too heavy as my CTS4 Wagon.
    2. Could use some more power - for 4 banger, car was running pretty good, but I wish it had about 150ish more...
    3. Need better tires, and RWD version for track use - again,, I don't like the mid-corner push. It wasn't too bad, but it could've been better
    4. Good shifting (for automatic - still prefer manual), good stopping (for small OEM brake setup), good steering feel
    5. Stiffer shock for track use would be nice.

    Now I'm really anxious to see ATS-V. (ATS-V will have all items from my wish list above)
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    Re: Any ATS owner been to race track?

    Quote Originally Posted by jaymsu View Post
    OK, here is the report on my "ATS experience on track".

    Day started out with rain. I got 2 sessions in rain, 1 session in damp condition, and 1 session in dry, so although it was not a perfect track weather, it was great opportunity to try out a car in different conditions.
    Knowing that I'm driving underpowered automatic AWD, with all season tires, I signed up to run in intermediate group.
    (I have videos of first 3 sessions - I'll post it on YouTube and post link here later)

    In rain, I was able to pass literally everyone in the group. Cold rainy weather and All season tires with AWD were perfect match. I was sliding around a lot in corners but it was very controllable.
    Brakes were stopping nicely, and I also found shifting logic very satisfying (I left in Sport mode Auto - didn't shift manually, taking donavo's advice), comparing it to CTS's shifting logic.
    In damp condition, it was pretty much same story. I could rotate the car with throttle pretty easily.
    (oh, all nannies were off - holding TC button for about 5 sec.)

    In dry, car started understeer a lot, mainly due to lack of tire grip on front - corner entering speed got lot higher and tire just couldn't keep up. If it had decent summer tires, it could've been lot more fun.
    Brakes were holding up better than I expected - I thought it would all melt away in dry session, but I had plenty left.

    Overall impression:
    1. Nimble chassis - very well balanced front and back. not too heavy as my CTS4 Wagon.
    2. Could use some more power - for 4 banger, car was running pretty good, but I wish it had about 150ish more...
    3. Need better tires, and RWD version for track use - again,, I don't like the mid-corner push. It wasn't too bad, but it could've been better
    4. Good shifting (for automatic - still prefer manual), good stopping (for small OEM brake setup), good steering feel
    5. Stiffer shock for track use would be nice.

    Now I'm really anxious to see ATS-V. (ATS-V will have all items from my wish list above)
    thats an awesome review, thanks. I can't wait to get mine out there.
    Is it safe to assume the car you drove had the Brembos?
    I'm also happy to hear you enjoyed the A6...I was hoping you would not be entirely disappointed

    As for needing more power...well, that's too easy on the 2.0t. Tuning will add an easy 40 rwhp or more, and can help make the trans even better. Then there's a simple turbo upgrade...

    Thanks for sharing.
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    Re: Any ATS owner been to race track?

    Unlike the people here who have manual "mode" I actually have a real stick and I've taken it to the road courses here numerous times this summer, twice to Mossport int. raceway. I'm blown away with the performance of this car, absolutely a stellar track car. I love turning off the nannies completely and getting that ass end squirrely!

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    Re: Any ATS owner been to race track?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stevo Supremo View Post
    Unlike the people here who have manual "mode" I actually have a real stick and I've taken it to the road courses here numerous times this summer, twice to Mossport int. raceway. I'm blown away with the performance of this car, absolutely a stellar track car. I love turning off the nannies completely and getting that ass end squirrely!
    got any vids you care to share?
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    Re: Any ATS owner been to race track?

    DiabloMike: glad you enjoyed my review. If the car was mine, I'd be calling Pfadt racing for turbo/intake/tune/shock/sway bar upgrade and put some sticky summer tires.
    About the brake - I'm not 100% sure, but the caliper seemed decent size, so I would guess that was Brembo one.


    Stevo: As much as I would love manual for track, this A6 in Sport mode wasn't bad at all. It held its gear during the corner (which wasn't the case in my CTS), and it constantly kept the RPM range in 3,000-3,500ish in braking with rev matching. I haven't been to Mosport yet - I'm in MI so it's not too far. Maybe someday... (most likely I'll be bringing corvette though)



    If and when I remember to take my GoPro out of the bag, I'll upload the video. --- I think I would make ATS owners proud with the video since that ATS4 2.0T was passing all the race prepped cars. (I think I passed 1 Panoz race car as well.. )

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    Re: Any ATS owner been to race track?

    I took the GoPro out of my race gear bag finally.
    I'm uploading it onto YouTube as I type - I have 3 and half session worth of videos (battery died on 4th session), but instead of trying to upload them all, I'll put one with "rain", and one with "damp-starting to dry" session.

    Meanwhile, here is the list of the cars I passed I could confirm from 4 videos:
    Lotus Elise & Exige, Supra, BRZ (or FR-S... don't remember. I passed a few of them), Mustang GT & GT500, Evo, Audi S4, Miatas, S2000, 350Z, M3, Panoz Race car, Integra (race prepped), Prelude (race prepped), Corvette (it hurts to pass my beloved Corvette with baby Caddy), Camaro (not current model)...
    I "almost" passed McLaren MP4-12C: I was catching up to him in 4th session, and if I had one more hot lap, I could've gotten him, but they checker-flagged.
    It was cool to see such a car running on the track - those cars are meant to be driven hard, but 99% owner of those cars just don't use the car as it's meant to be used, so even though the owner wasn't one of the greatest driver I've seen on track, he still gets my respect. (I'm sure once he figures out how to use the full capability of his car, I'll be eating his dust, even in my Corvette with slicks on)

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    Re: Any ATS owner been to race track?

    dam dude it baffles me how u could pass all those ppl. ive only been on the track once and even from that, i get so amazed at other peoples racing skills. thats amazing.

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    Re: Any ATS owner been to race track?

    Quote Originally Posted by jaymsu View Post
    I took the GoPro out of my race gear bag finally.
    I'm uploading it onto YouTube as I type - I have 3 and half session worth of videos (battery died on 4th session), but instead of trying to upload them all, I'll put one with "rain", and one with "damp-starting to dry" session.

    Meanwhile, here is the list of the cars I passed I could confirm from 4 videos:
    Lotus Elise & Exige, Supra, BRZ (or FR-S... don't remember. I passed a few of them), Mustang GT & GT500, Evo, Audi S4, Miatas, S2000, 350Z, M3, Panoz Race car, Integra (race prepped), Prelude (race prepped), Corvette (it hurts to pass my beloved Corvette with baby Caddy), Camaro (not current model)...
    I "almost" passed McLaren MP4-12C: I was catching up to him in 4th session, and if I had one more hot lap, I could've gotten him, but they checker-flagged.
    It was cool to see such a car running on the track - those cars are meant to be driven hard, but 99% owner of those cars just don't use the car as it's meant to be used, so even though the owner wasn't one of the greatest driver I've seen on track, he still gets my respect. (I'm sure once he figures out how to use the full capability of his car, I'll be eating his dust, even in my Corvette with slicks on)
    Wow. That is awesome, I cant wait to see these vids.

    I feel you on the MP4-12C. I'm fortunate to live in south Florida, where we see exotics on the road constantly, but its really cool to see one at the track. A few months ago, a few buddies were at PBIR drag racing, and there was a Bugatti Veyron there running on the road course. My buddy with a CTS-V went over and told him his brother wanted to race the Veyron in his GTR...jokingly. The dude said, oh, cool, am I allowed to run it down the dragstrip too? Lets go.

    Not only did he run it against the GTR, he ran it 3 times, each time working to get the launch control down pat. It was awesome.

    My ATS is maybe days away from getting strapped to the dyno here for some much needed tune development, and I plan to have the turbo 'worked over' locally for some extra swoosh. Planning a nice set of wheels (on the fence about 18s vs 19s), and some stickier tires for sure. Once the brakes are a little more worn, I'll upgrade the pads (wonder if I can get the dealer to install them under scheduled maintenance ?), but I don't think I'm going to throw any more at the suspension for now. This car is likely more capable than I'll ever be, maybe on the next one

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    Quote Originally Posted by donavo View Post
    dam dude it baffles me how u could pass all those ppl. ive only been on the track once and even from that, i get so amazed at other peoples racing skills. thats amazing.
    there is no question driver skill plays a large part in that, but even if it was Tommy Kendall in the ATS passing all those cars with a bunch of average drivers in the rest, it would still be damn impressive
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