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Cadillac ATS General Discussion Forum Discussion, 2.0T Ats Vs Cts 3.6 2013 in Cadillac ATS Discussion Forums; Originally Posted by blue_skies ATS: 2013 Cadillac ATS Performance (3.6L, Auto) 0-60 mph 5.3 Quarter Mile 13.8 http://www.zeroto60times.com/Cadilla...mph-Times.html ATS: 0-to-60 ...
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    Re: 2.0T Ats Vs Cts 3.6 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by blue_skies View Post
    ATS: 2013 Cadillac ATS Performance (3.6L, Auto) 0-60 mph 5.3 Quarter Mile 13.8



    ATS: 0-to-60 mph time of 5.7 seconds and a quarter-mile time of 14.1 seconds at 101.6 mph. That's actually a bit slower than Cadillac predicted. It said the V-6 should do a 5.4 to 60 and 14 flat in the quarter

    CTS: 2014 model gets same 3.6L tuning as the ATS (321hp). It also gets a 8-speed automatic transmission and it is 200lbs less than the comparable BMW 5-series, putting it on an estimated curb weight of around 3,700lbs (for the 3.6L), or about 300lbs over the ATS (almost 10% more curbweight).

    So it comes down to weight versus transmission. A 2014 ATS should also have the same 8-speed transmission, so it would even out. A 2013 ATS has the 6-speed which could affect 0-60 times more than quarter mile times.

    I would still bet on the ATS - lesser weight (with same hp) is always a better way to go. Imagine the CTS as if you had an ATS with a 300lb guy sitting in the passenger seat at all times ...
    overall targets for 2014 CTS is just above 6 second 0-60 for 2.0t and just below 6 second 0-60 for 3.6, thus a '13 CTS 3.6 is just about equal to 2.0t '14 CTS, (makes sense, less power but less weight and better torque band). this would make the 2.0t ATS a good match for the 3.6 '14 CTS, the 3.6 ATS would be on its own, in the low/mid 5 second range, then the '14 CTS v-sport in the mid/high 4 second range.

    the '14 CTS RWD with the 3.6 will have a curb weight of 3750-3843lbs depending on luxury,performance or premium.

    there is no 8 speed in the '14 ATS, only the '14 CTS 3.6 and 3.6t will get the 8 speed, CTS 2.0t and AWD models get the 6 speed.

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    I would still bet on the ATS - lesser weight (with same hp) is always a better way to go. Imagine the CTS as if you had an ATS with a 300lb guy sitting in the passenger seat at all times ...[/QUOTE]


    The only comment that hit a sore note so far is the one above ...! But lets call spade to spade how many people are running a Daytona 500 in their Caddy ... I mean I drive fast and hard (border line beating up my car) but I think we'll talking about minimum difference ... if a 2013 CTS can compete with my 2.0T ATS than I would still be thinking about switching .. I understand with the 3.6 ATS being lighter so having the significant advantage... I also feel if I posted this in the CTS forum I would be getting different answers ( obviously)

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    Re: 2.0T Ats Vs Cts 3.6 2013

    Guys the LTG engine in the 2.0T has been de tuned from the factory so they can sell 3.6s. A trifecta tuned automatic 2.0T RWD base weighing in at 3370 lbs will hand a 3.6 it's ass.

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    Re: 2.0T Ats Vs Cts 3.6 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Siren05 View Post
    Too bad.. I think my tuned 2.0T will out perform your tuned 3.6. Especially on a roll.
    I doubt that. Until your 2.0T gains you AT LEAST 80 HP and 80 TQ, you'd lose to my tuned 3.6L.

    My tuned 3.6L is now F30 335i quick. I'd put 0-60 at about 4.8 seconds. The car gained serious straight line performance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Siren05 View Post
    Guys the LTG engine in the 2.0T has been de tuned from the factory so they can sell 3.6s. A trifecta tuned automatic 2.0T RWD base weighing in at 3370 lbs will hand a 3.6 it's ass.
    Maybe if the 3.6L driver wasn't in sport mode and if he was stock.

    I highly doubt a 2.0T, even tuned, can beat a stock 3.6L in a race. At best, you'd probably tie it.

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    Re: 2.0T Ats Vs Cts 3.6 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by EnvoyBu View Post
    I doubt that. Until your 2.0T gains you AT LEAST 80 HP and 80 TQ, you'd lose to my tuned 3.6L.

    My tuned 3.6L is now F30 335i quick. I'd put 0-60 at about 4.8 seconds. The car gained serious straight line performance.





    Maybe if the 3.6L driver wasn't in sport mode and if he was stock.



    I highly doubt a 2.0T, even tuned, can beat a stock 3.6L in a race. At best, you'd probably tie it.
    A tuned 2.0t will destroy a stock 3.6.. I figure my 2.0 is up 100 tq and about 60 hp.

    Don't be ignorant. I have several friends will little 2.0 litre turbo EVOS. THAT MAKE OH UPWARDS 350
    Awhp with just downpipe and tune.

    Stock 3.6 about 280tq. Tuned 2.0 tq around 330-375..
    How could a 3.6 stock win?...
    Like I said bring a 3.6 let's test your theory.

    By the way tuning NA ENGINES WITHOUT MECHANICAL MODIFICATIONS= FAIL
    TUNING ANY TURBO ENGINE = FTW

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnvoyBu

    I doubt that. Until your 2.0T gains you AT LEAST 80 HP and 80 TQ, you'd lose to my tuned 3.6L.
    What tune did you use?

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    Re: 2.0T Ats Vs Cts 3.6 2013

    I doubt that. Until your 2.0T gains you AT LEAST 80 HP and 80 TQ, you'd lose to my tuned 3.6L.

    My tuned 3.6L is now F30 335i quick. I'd put 0-60 at about 4.8 seconds. The car gained serious straight line performance.
    What tune? The LFX camaro's I've seen have gained very minimally from just a tune. There are no Header options, so your major power adders beyond an additional 20/20 are going to be cams (which don't exist, yet) or F/I.

    By the way tuning NA ENGINES WITHOUT MECHANICAL MODIFICATIONS= FAIL
    TUNING ANY TURBO ENGINE = FTW
    let's not bring any NASIOC crap in here please, thanks.

    Maybe if the 3.6L driver wasn't in sport mode and if he was stock.

    I highly doubt a 2.0T, even tuned, can beat a stock 3.6L in a race. At best, you'd probably tie it.
    I'm going to have to disagree. I feel very confident a 'tuned' 30HP and 60FT/LB bump in an LTG,would pull on an LFX. They're practically equal as it is until you start hitting the taller gears.

    My tuned 3.6L is now F30 335i quick. I'd put 0-60 at about 4.8 seconds. The car gained serious straight line performance.
    How did you measure this?

    I also feel if I posted this in the CTS forum I would be getting different answers ( obviously)
    I don't. Unless you absolutely love the styling or the amount of room in the car, I would pass. Or at least wait until the new CTS arrives. There are no other factors to consider here. It seems to me you have some emotional connection to your CTS , if that's the case, Buyout the car at lease end. You'll have the exact same car for 50% off.

    From a Shear Value for money and quality of vehicle standpoint, this whole discussion is irrelevant. You'll not find one sane-thinking person tell you it's a good idea to start another brand-new car payment on the same exact car when a much better vehicle is available.

    If you're honestly considering a car because of some vauge 0-60 figures and deciding because one is 3/10 ths faster than another, you've bought the wrong car. There are Camaro's and mustangs for that which have gigantic communities devoted to the pursuit of straight-line acceleration.
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    Re: 2.0T Ats Vs Cts 3.6 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Siren05 View Post
    A tuned 2.0t will destroy a stock 3.6.. I figure my 2.0 is up 100 tq and about 60 hp.

    Don't be ignorant. I have several friends will little 2.0 litre turbo EVOS. THAT MAKE OH UPWARDS 350
    Awhp with just downpipe and tune.

    Stock 3.6 about 280tq. Tuned 2.0 tq around 330-375..
    How could a 3.6 stock win?...
    Like I said bring a 3.6 let's test your theory.
    Okay...

    I guess if I'm ever in the area, I'll show up?

    Even if your 2.0T is up 100 TQ and 60 HP, you're at 332 HP and 360 TQ, which I doubt a simple BNR tune can gain that much power without any other mods.

    Regardless, figuring my tune added about 30 HP and 30 TQ, I'm at 351 HP and 305 TQ. It'd be a close race, but I think the 3.6L may win.

    Quote Originally Posted by gohawks63 View Post
    What tune did you use?
    BNR's Trifecta tune.

    Quote Originally Posted by M5eater View Post
    I'm going to have to disagree. I feel very confident a 'tuned' 30HP and 60FT/LB bump in an LTG,would pull on an LFX. They're practically equal as it is until you start hitting the taller gears.
    A stock LFX, perhaps, but a tuned LFX would win from what I know.

    Quote Originally Posted by M5eater View Post
    How did you measure this?
    Seat of pants, and a few quick 0-60 pulls on back roads using my phone (not the greatest way) as a stop watch. I will admit I haven't truly timed it yet, but I have no doubt my tuned 3.6L can keep up with the F30 335i.

    Here's a cool video I found:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhBdohZa6oM

    A stock LFX can apparently hold its own against a lightly modded 335i, which, IMHO, is pretty impressive in and out of itself.

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    Re: 2.0T Ats Vs Cts 3.6 2013

    on e85 we gained 137whp and 123whp just from a tune on the 2.0t

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    Re: 2.0T Ats Vs Cts 3.6 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by sonny@bnr View Post
    on e85 we gained 137whp and 123whp just from a tune on the 2.0t
    Is that an experiment, or is every single 2.0T tune gaining that much?

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    Re: 2.0T Ats Vs Cts 3.6 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by EnvoyBu View Post
    Is that an experiment, or is every single 2.0T tune gaining that much?
    My tuned 2.0T will munch a stock 3.6 I'm finished. I've raced stock 335 I won.

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    Re: 2.0T Ats Vs Cts 3.6 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Siren05 View Post
    My tuned 2.0T will munch a stock 3.6 I'm finished. I've raced stock 335 I won.
    Impressive.

    Was it a newer one, or like the one in the video I posted?

    A 335i is capable of low 13's in the quarter mile bone stock. A stock 2.0T is running mid to high 14's in the quarter. You'd need some SERIOUS power to bring your time to the low 13's, possibly even very high 12's to blow out a newer 335i. I guess the Trifecta tune supplies all of that power in the 2.0T's?

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    Re: 2.0T Ats Vs Cts 3.6 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by EnvoyBu View Post
    Is that an experiment, or is every single 2.0T tune gaining that much?
    on e85 your average gain on the 2.0t is 100whp 100wtq

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    Re: 2.0T Ats Vs Cts 3.6 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by EnvoyBu View Post
    Impressive.

    Was it a newer one, or like the one in the video I posted?

    A 335i is capable of low 13's in the quarter mile bone stock. A stock 2.0T is running mid to high 14's in the quarter. You'd need some SERIOUS power to bring your time to the low 13's, possibly even very high 12's to blow out a newer 335i. I guess the Trifecta tune supplies all of that power in the 2.0T's?
    Dunno what year I couldn't ask him he was behind me. Lol.. And ya. My car is lighter and more power.
    We were already moving no dig

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    Re: 2.0T Ats Vs Cts 3.6 2013

    I guess you win then, lol.

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