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    I want 2014 Malibu 2.0t torque

    Malibu to have 295 ft lb out of the box....think GM will tune my ATS - will pay.
    Can't loose straight line run to a Malibu.
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    Wow, I believe that's more than the 3.6! W.t.h!

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    Re: I want 2014 Malibu 2.0t torque

    Actually the same torque as a Lotus Esprit V8 3.5L Twin Turbo... there was a time when this was a super car...

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    Re: I want 2014 Malibu 2.0t torque

    Peak HP or peak torque don't matter as much as the area under the curve, especially for turbo motors where the curves are artificially manipulated by computer.

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    Re: I want 2014 Malibu 2.0t torque

    get a tne from BNR you will be all set

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    Re: I want 2014 Malibu 2.0t torque

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Daddy View Post
    Peak HP or peak torque don't matter as much as the area under the curve, especially for turbo motors where the curves are artificially manipulated by computer.
    Please 'splain. Most specifically the part about "especially for turbo motors where the curves are artificially manipulated by computer". I just know the Esprit V8 feels like it has a boatload of useable torque, a ton of pull, and some 0-60 spec of under 5 seconds. I will add that in driving the opposite of the spectrum, a rotary engine @ 158 lb/ft peak torque, I was never left wanting for performance with that engine either, because the torque (or at least from a feel perspective, the "pull") never seemed to peak.

    This is not a challenge: I honestly don't fully appreciate/understand the practical aspects of torque figures.

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    Re: I want 2014 Malibu 2.0t torque

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave3283 View Post
    Malibu to have 295 ft lb out of the box....think GM will tune my ATS - will pay.
    Can't loose straight line run to a Malibu.
    wait....GM can tune the ATS? if u pay them, theyll tune it and cover any damage caused?

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    Re: I want 2014 Malibu 2.0t torque

    Quote Originally Posted by donavo View Post
    wait....GM can tune the ATS? if u pay them, theyll tune it and cover any damage caused?
    Seriously????

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    Re: I want 2014 Malibu 2.0t torque

    Quote Originally Posted by 73JPS View Post
    Please 'splain. Most specifically the part about "especially for turbo motors where the curves are artificially manipulated by computer". I just know the Esprit V8 feels like it has a boatload of useable torque, a ton of pull, and some 0-60 spec of under 5 seconds. I will add that in driving the opposite of the spectrum, a rotary engine @ 158 lb/ft peak torque, I was never left wanting for performance with that engine either, because the torque (or at least from a feel perspective, the "pull") never seemed to peak.

    This is not a challenge: I honestly don't fully appreciate/understand the practical aspects of torque figures.
    Okay. A peak torque figure includes the specific RPM it was achieved at. Same for HP. But unless you have a CVT, you have to go thru a range of RPMs to accelerate your car. The average amount (over time) during that range of RPMs determines how quickly you accelerate. So a car producing exactly X over that range will win over one that starts very low but peaks higher than the first provided the average is higher. So its the area under the torque and HP curves for the RPMs used that really matter. To project which of two cars would win a contest (all other things being equal), you need to determine just what RPMs would be used during the accelleration. If multiple gears are involved, it get more complicated because the starting RPM can change after each upshift and the optimal ending RPM may change too because essentially you want to shift when the overall torque for the next higher gear matches the torque of the current geat and that will change for each gear because the torque curve for that gear is the engine torque curve multiplied by the gear ratios involved.

    A naturally aspirated engine designed to propel a car using a traditional transmission will naturally have a very pronounced horsepower and torque curve. By varying the boost, a turbo motor can be designed to have a flat or pretty much any shape curve the designers want. And in fact, the ATS, Buick, and Malibu 2.0Ts work that way. The ATS is programmed to produce maximum torque over a VERY wide portion of the power band. It does that by using a turbo that can produce the high torque at low RPMs and then throwing away the excess torque at higher RPMs. The flat power band is why the 2.0T is so much more satisfying to drive than either of the naturally aspirated engines.

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    Re: I want 2014 Malibu 2.0t torque

    That 295# of torque is just like the Buick Regal GS, must be the same engine set up the same way.

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    Re: I want 2014 Malibu 2.0t torque

    Its still fail wheel drive, he'll be spinning his tires by the time you've pulled a car length on him.

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    Re: I want 2014 Malibu 2.0t torque

    For example my STI LAYS down 400awtq from 2700 rpm thru 5500rpm on my street tune.
    We turned it down for the track. As I run 100% all the time on the track.

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    Re: I want 2014 Malibu 2.0t torque

    Just checked the latest update to the ats order guide which was 6 days ago.
    Ats still at 260 torque. Ats has the LTG motor. Does the 14 Malibu have the GS motor or are they all the same now?

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    Re: I want 2014 Malibu 2.0t torque

    Quote Originally Posted by b4z View Post
    Just checked the latest update to the ats order guide which was 6 days ago.
    Ats still at 260 torque. Ats has the LTG motor. Does the 14 Malibu have the GS motor or are they all the same now?
    While the press release's don't specify an origin for the increase, considering that this was a very fast MY revision. You can bet it's software related.

    I could see this might go both ways.

    On the one hand, there's likely no reason they couldn't give the ATS the same power bump(there by crushing the 328i's 'lowballed figures') but on the other hand, wherein the Malibu is strickly a commutter, the ATS is supposed to be a fine sports sedan. The LTG in the ATS already has a bit of lag and a non-linear feel. Adding more torque might exasperate the issue.


    There's also the fact that the LTG in the Malibu is the top-trim engine. The 3.6 in the ATS however, would be under-mined by the middle-spec engine and would likely endup being slower than the 2.0T.

    That reason alone I suspect, will be why the LTG in the ATS remains at 260.

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    I believe the CTS with the 2.0T had the same TQ figure as the Malibu, and it certainly isn't the top trim for that vehicle.
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