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Cadillac ATS General Discussion Forum Discussion, Anyone notice review models lack a sunroof? in Cadillac ATS Discussion Forums; Originally Posted by RemaxAl Think about it. For $1200 you get a 2 square foot hole in your car roof. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RemaxAl
    Think about it. For $1200 you get a 2 square foot hole in your car roof. That creates noise, could leak, has dust penetration and not to even mention the down pour that will surely hit the one time you leave it open. If you like it cool, just think there a useless option. Want a rag top buy a rag. Even the t-tops in the '80s made more sense. Sort of like able bodied people driving a 3 wheeled motor bike.
    Um... Really? That statement was so ridiculous that I can only surmise that you were trying to be inflammatory.

    My last 11 cars have all had factory sunroofs and not one of the have ever leaked or given me a problem. EVER.

    The only sunroof that is of questionable value is the one on my '12 CTS coupe that only vents, but does not open by design. I almost didn't get it for that reason, but I wanted the extra light in the cabin. The cost was also half of what a fully functional moonroof goes for.

    Those T-tops you mentioned were terrible! They leaked, squeaked and were prone to being stolen. When moon-roofs went from being afterthoughts, nothing more than holes cut into a roof after production to fully integrated designs with rain gutters and channels, they became much more reliable.

    Occasionally you will hear of issues like what you see with the 2nd gen CTS when that was introduced, with issues like noise and clogged drain holes causing leaks, but that was a newer full glass roof and I believe those issues were eventually resolved.

    Our BMW X5 has the full panoramic rood and we love it. Open it all the way and it's as close as you can get to a convertible while still having a roof.

    As for convertibles, I have one... A Mustang that is strictly a summer car. It's great on a sunny day with the top down, but as an every day driver soft top convertibles with the top up are noisier (both wind and road noise), prone to vandalism from a teenager with a pocket knife and hardly weather tight. Go through a high pressure touchless car wash and you will know what I mean. There is much more that can go wrong with all the pumps and cables and when that top gets worn, cracked or damaged it can be replaced for ONLY $2,000 or so since they typically can't be repaired. The chassis of convertibles are less sturdy since the roof (a major structural component) is now missing. Modern day convertibles that are designed from the beginning to be drop tops are better, but all that extra bracing and structural reinforcement adds additional weight, and it's still not as strong as a car with a roof, even one that "has a hole cut in it". I still get some ever so slight cowl shake going over railroad tracks or some of our wonderful weather beaten Michigan roads.

    As for hardtop convertibles, they improve on the noise, rigidity, and weather sealing aspects, but they are heavier and with the top down you lose any trunk space you may have.

    Also consider that convertibles only come in two doors, if you need four doors, forget it.

    As for that rainstorm you mentioned.... When driving on the highway at 70 mph and it starts to rain, is it really that strenuous to reach up and push the one-touch button and have the roof close by itself, where as in a convertible (or those old T-tops) you have to pull over to the side of the road, stop and wait the 20 or 30 seconds to raise the roof, and the merge back on to that 70 mph traffic in the rain.

    Having said all that, there is nothing like driving with the top down on a beautiful day.

    Our Mustang only gets driven about 3,500 - 4,000 miles a year and 98% of the time it is with the top down. In those other times I will drive my other cars that have holes in their roofs.
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    Re: Anyone notice review models lack a sunroof?

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    Re: Anyone notice review models lack a sunroof?

    Quote Originally Posted by RemaxAl View Post
    Think about it. For $1200 you get a 2 square foot hole in your car roof. That creates noise, could leak, has dust penetration and not to even mention the down pour that will surely hit the one time you leave it open. If you like it cool, just think there a useless option. Want a rag top buy a rag. Even the t-tops in the '80s made more sense. Sort of like able bodied people driving a 3 wheeled motor bike.
    Then WHY did you buy one with a sunroof if you dislike them so much....just to complain you have one? There are tons of ATS combinations without them....please don't tell me you didn't have a choice! That's like buying a sedan, then complain how worthless it is to have 4 doors rather than two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSATS View Post
    If I want air and sun I'll sit on my back deck in the daytime with a cold one in my hand. If I want to look at the moon and stars I'l sit on that same deck at night with a cold one in my hand. I don't need any sun or need to look at the moon and stars when I'm driving my ATS. I like to turn on the air and listen to music when I'm driving. I don't need to hear the wind blowing and dust flying around my car because I have that dumbass roof open.
    Oh, ok. You're one of those I'll-buy-my-car-as-an-appliance types...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RemaxAl View Post
    Think about it. For $1200 you get a 2 square foot hole in your car roof. That creates noise, could leak, has dust penetration and not to even mention the down pour that will surely hit the one time you leave it open. If you like it cool, just think there a useless option. Want a rag top buy a rag. Even the t-tops in the '80s made more sense. Sort of like able bodied people driving a 3 wheeled motor bike.
    Because I can't afford to have all these different cars. So instead of an impractical convertible, I get moonroofs in my cars...


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    Re: Anyone notice review models lack a sunroof?

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    Because I can't afford to have all these different cars. So instead of an impractical convertible, I get moonroofs in my cars...
    Plus, with a sunroof, as an added bonus you practically get the same benefit of a convertible in that, you can get that open air feeling without the Maintenance , expense plus the
    hassle of putting a rag top up and down. All with a touch of a button! Half the fun of owning a sports car is having that open air experience.....

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    The roof is not structural at all. It is set on the roof rails with a laser guided vision robot and held there while it is spot welded in place by other robots

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    Re: Anyone notice review models lack a sunroof?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Cornett View Post
    The roof is not structural at all. It is set on the roof rails with a laser guided vision robot and held there while it is spot welded in place by other robots
    Correct, however, typically there's a middle support beam that may need to be removed or replaced to make room for the runroof which needs to retract under the headliner.

    And then there's also the consideration that you're adding weight at the worst possible spot in the car

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    Your right about the added weight. I cant remember if the ATS has a roof bow there or not. We prigrammed it a long time ago.

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    Re: Anyone notice review models lack a sunroof?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Cornett View Post
    Your right about the added weight. I cant remember if the ATS has a roof bow there or not. We prigrammed it a long time ago.
    it's right where the roof needs to retract.



    I suspect simply by looking at where it's placed (right where the B-pillars are) that it's not moved, but I really have no idea.

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    Re: Anyone notice review models lack a sunroof?

    Make no mistake, I'm not complaining. Most folks just die for a sunroof, not me was my only point. Just never understood the sunroof concept is all. I bought the ATS with a sun roof. Money really wasn't an issue. I bought the ATS for the 2.0T and the handling/ride and comfort. Colors and options I don't deter me. I'm more of a driver I guess??

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    Re: Anyone notice review models lack a sunroof?

    Quote Originally Posted by gohawks63 View Post
    Also consider that convertibles only come in two doors, if you need four doors, forget it.
    Um... Really?

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    Not to mention that in the early days 4 door convertibles were some of the highest volume models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Daddy
    Um... Really?

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    Not to mention that in the early days 4 door convertibles were some of the highest volume models.
    I guess I stand corrected. . I was thinking more along the lines of cars.

    As for the older cars, yeah, but I was talking about modern era convertibles.

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    Re: Anyone notice review models lack a sunroof?

    How about this 4 door Convertible?.....lol....not a bad conversion job; shows how well these Cadillacs lend themselves to a convertible treatment


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    Re: Anyone notice review models lack a sunroof?

    The way I look at it is if you like sun roofs or as many call them moon roofs then order one for your car and be happy. As for myself I see no need for them and prefere not having them. That doesn't make me right but it doesn't make me wrong either.

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    Re: Anyone notice review models lack a sunroof?

    Precisely JSATS! People on this forum seem to get there backs up over nothing???? Love the rag top pic.

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