Thanks for the response. It seems that they have gotten better in the last 5 or so years. Interesting that you have snows. I live in WI and have a steep driveway. are snows really necessary. My last cars were an Audi a4, audi q5 and Acura RL. all with AWD and the worked fine in the snow with all season tires. Any particular reason as to why you bought a set of snows? Did you buy RWD?