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    Re: 2.0 vs 3.6

    2.0t with E85 tune = at least 400 hp on crank or more.
    3.6 with tune, probably only 20 extra pony.

    2.0t alll the way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmb32687
    2.0t with E85 tune = at least 400 hp on crank or more.
    3.6 with tune, probably only 20 extra pony.

    2.0t alll the way!
    But that's only if you're wiling to risk warranty. I'm new to GM but BMW was pretty harsh.

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    If GM is pretty lenient, then I might try a tune.

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    Re: 2.0 vs 3.6

    Quote Originally Posted by gohawks63 View Post
    Edmunds reported a 0-60 time of 6.3 seconds (6.1 with a 1 ft rollout) on a 2.0T ATS which is consistent with what I have seen in other road tests and in coincides with my "seat of the pants" assessment since the CTS is known to be in the low 6s for 0-60. I have seen 6.0 for the CTS, but I think that's a bit optimistic.

    The 3.6L ATS will spank the current gen CTS as I have seen 0-60 times in the mid 5s.

    http://www.edmunds.com/cadillac/ats/...oad-test1.html
    http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/06/2...mium-2-0t-6mt/


    Other sources...

    http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...he-competition
    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html
    I have read all of those before I am hoping GMHTP test's some here in Jersey for an article

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    Re: 2.0 vs 3.6

    Quote Originally Posted by b4z View Post
    The CTSs with the 3.6l have a 3.45 reared but the ATS only has a 3.27 gear ( just like the Camaro).
    3.45 gear would probably take another .2 secs off the 0-60 time.
    I have a CTS Coupe 6-speed manual RWD, and I have heard my rear end is around the 3.73 range. My RPM's are close to 3000 when traveling at 120 Kilometers per hour. My car seems very quick in any gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gohawks63 View Post
    I drove one a few weeks ago when I had my CTS coupe in for an oil change. It was a Performance 2.0T model. I was impressed. Obviously felt lighter than the CTS. The acceleration felt about the same as in my CTS. Yeah, the CTS has the 3.6L, but it is heavier.
    I agree with most of what you said however I test drove an ATS 2.0L turbo as well. I feel it performed and handled very well just like you mentioned however it didn't seem to accelerate as strongly as my Coupe does. I assume the difference in my Coupe could be the close gearing and manual trans, the RPM seems to fly up to that 7000 redline very quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EVH5150

    I have a CTS Coupe 6-speed manual RWD, and I have heard my rear end is around the 3.73 range. My RPM's are close to 3000 when traveling at 120 Kilometers per hour. My car seems very quick in any gear.

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    I agree with most of what you said however I test drove an ATS 2.0L turbo as well. I feel it performed and handled very well just like you mentioned however it didn't seem to accelerate as strongly as my Coupe does. I assume the difference in my Coupe could be the close gearing and manual trans, the RPM seems to fly up to that 7000 redline very quickly.
    Well I have the AWD coupe with the different rear end so I suspect that is where the difference is.

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    2.0 is great, doesnt feel much slower than the 3.6. The only advantage of the 3.6 is the engine note.

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    Re: 2.0 vs 3.6

    I love the people on here that go out and buy Cadillac's newest award winning world class sports sedan and then whine that they should use premium..

    the 2.0 in this car has amazing potential, back on the cobalt scene there were so many guys running the older 2.0T at 330-350HP with just an intake and tune, its laughably easy to get big numbers from these engines

    It wasn't uncommon to see cars breaking 400HP with a few more(inexpensive bolt-on) mods and corn juice now those cars are lighter than ours yes.. but not by a lot, I think my cobalt weighed in at 3250LBS.. what do these weigh? 3400lbs?

    This members pushing 605HP and he's hanging with the GTR.. he's a member on CSS.net.. since that video he's added more and he's pushing 650HP last I checked... hes got all the bolt-ons, head work Larger turbo, supporting mods etc.. no Spray, tune and e85..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piE1R8u0pvU


    that sounds like a lot of money but those really aren't that expensive (especially for those cars). For what it would cost to get a 3.6 to 450+HP you'd need to spend thousands more on a full boost kit.. and lots of supporting mods.

    the reason I like using the cobalt SS is because it has the same (basic) engine as us and I've been around them forever and I know what they're capable of.. they put the supercharged predecessor's to shame...

    oh and just for fun.. a cobalt SS Supercharged engine, sans supercharger and turbo in its place.. 2.0 K04turbo and supporting mods, 610HP, I know everyone loves warranty, but if I can get 600HP outta this thing then **** warranty lol
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxYeEJ7CDH8

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    Re: 2.0 vs 3.6

    One of the things I have been looking at is what is the Tremec 3160 manual trans rated for. Max torque is listed at 500Nm (369 #ft.) I know there is always a margin of safety, but what is it? Twenty % over would allow 442 #ft. which I feel is most likely safe for all but cars that are at the strip a lot. The 6L45 auto is rated for a max of 377Nm (278 #ft.) which even with a safety margin doesn't seem to allow as much tuning capability.
    Makes me more than happy I got the manual.


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    Re: 2.0 vs 3.6

    well the Getrag F35 in the cobalt turbo was a piece of shit, third gear was a grenade, but a lot of the guys there were pushing 400+HP 370Tq+ on stock trans and had no issues, just clutches were burning out under the power lol. I hear a lot that they were "underrated"

    Most of the third gear troubles were weeded out in the warranty period, wich is why I'm waiting to mod mine, wanna weed out the problems(if any) first and let warranty deal with them lol.

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    Re: 2.0 vs 3.6

    Quote Originally Posted by ATS2.0T View Post
    2.0 is great, doesnt feel much slower than the 3.6. The only advantage of the 3.6 is the engine note.
    ...and it's over .5 second faster in 0-60.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevo Supremo View Post
    I love the people on here that go out and buy Cadillac's newest award winning world class sports sedan and then whine that they should use premium..
    I always found that odd too. Over on the Acura forums I used to see the same thing. If the extra $5 a tank ful is going to break you, then you should have bought a different car.

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    Re: 2.0 vs 3.6

    I had to put 91 in my SS or the engine knocked BAD

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    Re: 2.0 vs 3.6

    Quote Originally Posted by gohawks63 View Post
    Well I have the AWD coupe with the different rear end so I suspect that is where the difference is.
    I am curious as to how much heavier the AWD coupe is compared to the RWD version?

    Also, I love the look of your coupe in Black! Very slick.

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    Re: 2.0 vs 3.6

    Quote Originally Posted by mikesul View Post
    One of the things I have been looking at is what is the Tremec 3160 manual trans rated for. Max torque is listed at 500Nm (369 #ft.) I know there is always a margin of safety, but what is it? Twenty % over would allow 442 #ft. which I feel is most likely safe for all but cars that are at the strip a lot. The 6L45 auto is rated for a max of 377Nm (278 #ft.) which even with a safety margin doesn't seem to allow as much tuning capability.
    Makes me more than happy I got the manual.

    Let's go to the track and see you hang with the auto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesul View Post
    One of the things I have been looking at is what is the Tremec 3160 manual trans rated for. Max torque is listed at 500Nm (369 #ft.) I know there is always a margin of safety, but what is it? Twenty % over would allow 442 #ft. which I feel is most likely safe for all but cars that are at the strip a lot. The 6L45 auto is rated for a max of 377Nm (278 #ft.) which even with a safety margin doesn't seem to allow as much tuning capability.
    Makes me more than happy I got the manual.

    It's also used in the 3.6 DI

    which also surpasses GMs maximum hp and TQ. STOCK..

    This tranny can handle a lot more

    It's also used in BMW 1 and 3 series

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    Quote Originally Posted by EVH5150

    I am curious as to how much heavier the AWD coupe is compared to the RWD version?

    Also, I love the look of your coupe in Black! Very slick.
    Thank you.

    According to the Cadillac, AWD adds about 200 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siren05


    It's also used in BMW 1 and 3 series
    They seem to have tuned it much better.

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