Cadillac ATS General Discussion Forum Discussion, Ecotec LTG in Cadillac ATS Discussion Forums; Originally Posted by JimmyH I understand that. My point is that the powertrain combo is already in place. It's not ...
- 09-26-12 10:29 AM #16
Re: Ecotec LTG
*the* car you'd think people would want a manual most in, a car that car-rags rave is only 'alive' when it's with a stick. Still can't even sell > 1/5 of it's product with a 6MT. People want Automatics, DSG's and DCT's. To be honest, if the V were my DD, I might want one again too. the 6AT V was perfect for stop & go and the uglies of life. It just happened that I bought my V for the weekends, and in that respect it was boring and fustrating. Most people (i'd assume) don't buy a 335i/ S4 or are looking @ a 3.6 ATS as a weekend car.
I would like to see the transmission take-rate on the 3.6 or 3.0 CTS. I would bet $$$ it's one of the most uncommonly spec'd options.
As I also previously mentioned, I'm not sure that the LFX and tremec 6MT is a bolt-in option for the ATS. I doubt it was bolt-in or swapable for the camaro and CTS acutally . There's an inherant cost in offering products as an option in a vehicle lineup. It's not free just because they have the trans in another car already .
- 09-28-12 02:24 AM #17Cadillac Owners Enthusiast
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Re: Ecotec LTG
Part of the low take rate for manuals probably has to do with lack of availability at dealers. In 2007, I started to look for a manual CTS to test drive, and finally found one after two months to test, albeit briefly. When that car sold, it was another three months before I found another one (three, actually, and at another dealer), and I bought one. That was five months of searching in the metro Atlanta area , with four dealers. Good thing I wasn't in a hurry! One dealer, the closest to my office, stated they would never get a stick in unless it was special ordered. When I tried to find a V with a stick, a car with a much higher take rate with a stick than the basic car, it took another 2 1/2 months to find one to test drive, and I bought that one too.
I won't buy an automatic car. I won't compromise on the transmission. If it's not offered, I'm not interested. I have friends that have tried to find available manuals, and upon failing, have purchased automatics. They weren't happy, but had little choice. I certainly wouldn't order a car so equipped without test driving one first, which can place people in quite a quandry. I understand that the dealers are reluctant to spec a car that won't move, so they play safe and offer no choice instead. Same thing with colors, but I digress.
This phenomenon isn't only happening at Cadillac. Try finding a manual at BMW these days, or even Porsche. At my last visit to a Porsche dealer, they had a whopping two 911s and two base Boxsters with a stick, out of their entire inventory. It's a conspiracy! At this rate, the manufacturers will say no one wants them, and stop offering them altogether. Hopefully, Cadillac will continue to offer them. Maybe, Cadillac could even become a haven for those who like to row their own. One never knows.
- 09-29-12 03:33 PM #18Cadillac Owners 10000+ Posts
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Re: Ecotec LTG
When I was looking for a used CTS4 a while back, I looked for manuals. I found ONE in the entire country for sale.
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