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    You are going to find that on any forum. The majority of folks here are stalwart supporters of GM. You are going to find it to be more pronounced on GM, Ford, and Chrysler forums because there is going to be more of a tendency to be personally supportive of those makes. They are American. We are American. Supporters of BMW, Lexus, etc are not as personally invested because those are foreign entities.

    The bottom line is that if you don't like the ATS, don't buy it. If someone here says something you don't like, ignore it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    You are going to find that on any forum. The majority of folks here are stalwart supporters of GM. You are going to find it to be more pronounced on GM, Ford, and Chrysler forums because there is going to be more of a tendency to be personally supportive of those makes. They are American. We are American. Supporters of BMW, Lexus, etc are not as personally invested because those are foreign entities.
    You are absolutely right.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    The bottom line is that if you don't like the ATS, don't buy it. If someone here says something you don't like, ignore it.
    The funny thing is that I truly believe that the ATS is a phenomenal vehicle and that I even pointed out several times that I might be getting one in the future if the circumstances are right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    You are going to find that on any forum. The majority of folks here are stalwart supporters of GM. You are going to find it to be more pronounced on GM, Ford, and Chrysler forums because there is going to be more of a tendency to be personally supportive of those makes. They are American. We are American. Supporters of BMW, Lexus, etc are not as personally invested because those are foreign entities.

    The bottom line is that if you don't like the ATS, don't buy it. If someone here says something you don't like, ignore it.
    I've only owned American cars - GM at that, and like many on here I bought my CTS when this company was on it's back (January 2009). I even took a 6K hit on the two year old car I was leasing at that time because I was in love with the CTS. Criticism doesn't mean disloyalty. I love it when I have loyal fans of my business tell me what I should improve upon, that's how you keep the doors open. We're not people who've not put our money where our mouths are. I voice my opinion on here because I know Cadillac/GM pays attention...and ideally I would like to see the company grow. I don't want to buy a foreign car, but I also want good value...where's the crime in advocating for that? Besides, I'm pretty confident that there will be rebates and loyalty programs available towards the end of the year...so I'm not terribly upset. But you guys really shouldn't be so uptight about tried and true GM customers voicing their opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaddyFanFL

    Yeah, I keep that in mind, too. And you can feel it as soon as you dare to post any form of criticism.

    I'm active on many car-forums but those at the GM-boards (GMinsideline, too) tend to have a need to get at you personally. Very strange...
    I don't think it's anything personal. I think that GM fans have put up for years and years of negative unfair criticism of the brand by the press as they had orgasmic feelings that anything from Germany or Japan is automatically better then a GM product . This had many fans pretty fed up. Now, that GM is truly back to making cars better then the foreign brands it's time to stick your chest out a bit. By the way I include styling into that statement and there is no doubt that GM is leading the industry in that department

    Now as for the BMW 3 and MB C comparisons lets all wait fur a side by side test not a " brochure" test.

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    There is nothing wrong with criticizing the ATS. Or any Cadillac. That is what this forum is for. My point is that if you come here, to a Cadillac website, criticizing Cadillac cars, you have to expect you are going to get backlash from other members. If you choose to take that backlash as an insult, that's on you. It helps to have thick skin when you are on any discussion forum.

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    I don't think it's anything personal. I think that GM fans have put up for years and years of negative unfair criticism of the brand by the press as they had orgasmic feelings that anything from Germany or Japan is automatically better then a GM product . This had many fans pretty fed up. Now, that GM is truly back to making cars better then the foreign brands it's time to stick your chest out a bit. By the way I include styling into that statement and there is no doubt that GM is leading the industry in that department

    Now as for the BMW 3 and MB C comparisons lets all wait fur a side by side test not a " brochure" test.
    I've bought many German cars in the past just because the American brands didn't have much to show for. Over the last couple of years, however, that changed. All "big three" are showing a tremendous improvement I never even dreamed of.

    The mid-facelifted Jeep Grand Cherokee will be a blast - much better than the current MY - and improving that was already difficult. The new Lincoln MKZ will be the best equipped and technologically evolved vehicle ever by Ford/Lincoln. And then you have either the sporty ATS or the feature-loaded (and I'm confident it will be just that) CTS with CUE.

    Just as blackonblack said, buying a car with a great value makes me happy as well.

    I owned three BMWs in the past - two sedans and an SUV. They certainly were in a different performance-league than the cars I just mentioned but when you get older, you tend to have different priorities. And having the option to buy three very well equipped American vehicles instead puts a smile on my face. And "value" certainly plays a role, too. I only know that I won't be buying any more overpriced imports. The SUV will be replaced by a Grand Cherokee, the first sedan by a Lincoln MKZ and the second one by either an ATS or CTS. I'm confident that both cars will deliver plenty of joy when driving them and if so, it will indeed be coming down to value.

    Fortunately, I'm planning on getting these cars in two years or so which gives me the opportunity to closely follow the "ATS/CTS"-battle and make my decision accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    There is nothing wrong with criticizing the ATS.
    As I said, the funny thing is that I never criticized the car itself - actually, not even the price of the car compared to its competition. Just the pricing withing the brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaddyFanFL

    I've bought many German cars in the past just because the American brands didn't have much to show for. Over the last couple of years, however, that changed. All "big three" are showing a tremendous improvement I never even dreamed of.

    The mid-facelifted Jeep Grand Cherokee will be a blast - much better than the current MY - and improving that was already difficult. The new Lincoln MKZ will be the best equipped and technologically evolved vehicle ever by Ford/Lincoln. And then you have either the sporty ATS or the feature-loaded (and I'm confident it will be just that) CTS with CUE.

    Just as blackonblack said, buying a car with a great value makes me happy as well.

    I owned three BMWs in the past - two sedans and an SUV. They certainly were in a different performance-league than the cars I just mentioned but when you get older, you tend to have different priorities. And having the option to buy three very well equipped American vehicles instead puts a smile on my face. And "value" certainly plays a role, too. I only know that I won't be buying any more overpriced imports. The SUV will be replaced by a Grand Cherokee, the first sedan by a Lincoln MKZ and the second one by either an ATS or CTS. I'm confident that both cars will deliver plenty of joy when driving them and if so, it will indeed be coming down to value.

    Fortunately, I'm planning on getting these cars in two years or so which gives me the opportunity to closely follow the "ATS/CTS"-battle and make my decision accordingly.
    I drove BMWs for years . I owned the 5 Series and an X5. The 2004 CTS perked my interest and I went for a test drive and bought the car on the spot. I do not miss the bummers at all and realm enjoy the pluses the Caddy offers. I live in metro NYC so the real world comfort of the Cadillacs is far superior ti my previous BMWs. From a realibilitu stand point there is NO comparison. The Cadillac wins hands down. I drive over 25,000 miles per year and I had many issues with the BMW. My Cadillacs have really been bulletproof. My newest purchase is last year, 201- Escalade for my wife( family car). Just hit 20,000 at one year anniversary and I tell you , nothing , absolutely nothing has gone wrong with that car. Not a squeak ,rattle or gremlin of any car.

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    I should've mentioned that my 2005 STS has 176,000 miles on it and the worse problem I had was a broken motor mount last year. People still ask me if the car is brand new. that's why I stick up for Caddy. The make a world class priduct that will now be even better with new ATS

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    I know the car mags would never say it, but it could be the ATS with the MR shock technology is *better* than the bmw.
    Engine power is a wash given the ATS is slightly lighter. Tech features are superior in the ATS. So the ATS may be better than the bmw in some people's opinion for less bucks. I agree the risk is how well will the car hold value. Only time will tell.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackonblackNYC View Post
    I'm a market research professional, I study consumers everyday in addition to being one of this brand. If all of the critics are saying the 3-series is over priced then what does that make an equally priced ATS???? Furthermore, the car is close but NOT as good performance wise...and lastly given that BMW and Mercedes get by with over priced vehicles because most of their sales are leases, while Cadillac aren't...how do you anticipate those market dynamics changing overnight???

    You can insult me all day long...but it's clear that whatever you do marketing and sales isn't one of them.

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    This car has not even made it to the public. No one knows what the car will do. Critiquing, market research, its all a crapshoot. I can tell you the best, and most reliable way into Boston from Concord. Doesn't mean I can't guarantee the Mass Pike won't be wide open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho
    This car has not even made it to the public. No one knows what the car will do. Critiquing, market research, its all a crapshoot. I can tell you the best, and most reliable way into Boston from Concord. Doesn't mean I can't guarantee the Mass Pike won't be wide open.
    Huh?

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    Ats is overpriced. Gets expensive too fast....5000 each level up. The front end looks great with the lower led and metal insert but only problem is you have to pay 10k to get it. Typical gm move. Car will mainly be bought by enthusiast at those prices. Average American won't be able to afford it unless they buy watered down version. I see Cadillac giving huge incentives or special lease deals once the hype dies down and they figure out they can't sell the car. We are in one of the worst economies since the early 90's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blkcaddy
    Ats is overpriced. Gets expensive too fast....5000 each level up. The front end looks great with the lower led and metal insert but only problem is you have to pay 10k to get it. Typical gm move. Car will mainly be bought by enthusiast at those prices. Average American won't be able to afford it unless they buy watered down version. I see Cadillac giving huge incentives or special lease deals once the hype dies down and they figure out they can't sell the car. We are in one of the worst economies since the early 90's.
    How wrong you are on all points. This car will be an enormous success for Cadillac. Not only did they build the car for the "enthusiast " but there new marketing blitz Cadillac vs the World" is brilliant. It is speaking to the younger generation and at the same time all of the car enthusiast who normally buy cars made in Germany

    As for the economy. While still rough and recovering the people shopping for cars in this league are all professionals and skilled labor. They can afford no problem. Proof?
    Just look at BMW sales numbers on the 3Series.

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