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Cadillac ATS General Discussion Forum Discussion, Driving the ATS Tomorrow- post questions/pic requests now in Cadillac ATS Discussion Forums; How did the 2.0T drive? I've only driven the 3.6L and sat in a 2.5L, so I wondered if the ...
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    Re: Driving the ATS Tomorrow- post questions/pic requests now

    How did the 2.0T drive? I've only driven the 3.6L and sat in a 2.5L, so I wondered if the 3.6L is worth the extra $1,000-$2,000.

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    Thanks for all the info Tony. How was the shifting in the MT models?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnvoyBu View Post
    How did the 2.0T drive? I've only driven the 3.6L and sat in a 2.5L, so I wondered if the 3.6L is worth the extra $1,000-$2,000.
    There's a .4 second difference in 0-60 times between the 2.0T and the 3.6L, and I can tell you it's all in the first .4 seconds after you floor it from a standstill. The 2.0T feels great at speed, but there's no avoiding the delay to build boost pressure when first taking off.

    If you're a stoplight racer and want it punchy at low RPM, get the 3.6L. For road course racers and highway passers, the Turbo is awesome.

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    Thanks for all the info Tony? How was the shifting in the MT models?
    The only MT car present was not in service for the driving event. Sorry.
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    Is the manual trans going to be an Aisin? I thought I read somewhere that it would be a Tremec, but that doesn't seem right.

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    It is indeed a Tremec.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buttfish77 View Post
    Lots of turbo lag?
    This made me laugh a little. Turbo lag isn't really lag as much as it is the turbo spooling. On a 2.0L that is making 272HP, there really isn't "lag" as much as you might think. I would bet that the turbo is already building boost as soon as you touch the gas given the size of the turbo exhaust housing and how short the runners of the manifold are. Positive pressure can probably been seen at 1000-1500RPM. We will just have to wait and see when they are released and someone hooked up a boost gauge and makes a dyno run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadillac Tony View Post
    There's a .4 second difference in 0-60 times between the 2.0T and the 3.6L, and I can tell you it's all in the first .4 seconds after you floor it from a standstill. The 2.0T feels great at speed, but there's no avoiding the delay to build boost pressure when first taking off.
    Hopefully Cadillac did one thing with this motor: better air to air intercooler than say the Chevy Cruze!!! That intercooler is a joke....

    I think with a good aftermarket intake and some tuning, we can get good off the line boost. The good thing with such a small turbo, hopefully torque doesn't fall off.

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    The 2.0T hits its torque peak around 2,000rpm. It's flat as a table from there to near redline, but the "problem" for those not used to turbo engines is that space between idle and 2,000rpm.

    I'll see if I can upload the videos I took of me flooring the car from a standstill to about 50mph. I did one run each in the 2.0T and then the 3.6L, which is what informed my comment above: Both cars are quick and fun, but the standing start is better in the 3.6L. From a highway roll (50-100mph) I would bet they're dead even, but the 3.6 would win from a dig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadillac Tony View Post
    The 2.0T hits its torque peak around 2,000rpm. It's flat as a table from there to near redline, but the "problem" for those not used to turbo engines is that space between idle and 2,000rpm.

    I'll see if I can upload the videos I took of me flooring the car from a standstill to about 50mph. I did one run each in the 2.0T and then the 3.6L, which is what informed my comment above: Both cars are quick and fun, but the standing start is better in the 3.6L. From a highway roll (50-100mph) I would bet they're dead even, but the 3.6 would win from a dig.
    The 3.6L gets off the line better because of one thing: displacement. In the 2.0t that you were driving, auto or manual? Should be able to get a good amount of power from an intake and exhaust on the 2.0t....

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    Quote Originally Posted by buttfish77 View Post
    Thanks! And how did it feel to drive compared to the 3.6L? Lots of turbo lag?
    I'm thinking of getting a thunder-gray 2.0T with MT and red interior. Does that sound like a weird combination?
    Definitely not a weird combination at all. I have a 135 convertible in space gray/coral red love the combo as do many others.

    I like the carbon fiber look as well. I'm just not sure if I want to get another gray and red car…though I do like the Thunder Gray a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadillac Tony View Post
    The 2.0T hits its torque peak around 2,000rpm. It's flat as a table from there to near redline, but the "problem" for those not used to turbo engines is that space between idle and 2,000rpm.

    I'll see if I can upload the videos I took of me flooring the car from a standstill to about 50mph. I did one run each in the 2.0T and then the 3.6L, which is what informed my comment above: Both cars are quick and fun, but the standing start is better in the 3.6L. From a highway roll (50-100mph) I would bet they're dead even, but the 3.6 would win from a dig.
    that's why the 2.0T will be better with the manual. You will be able to keep the revs up off the line. Of course that becomes a balancing act of avoiding bogging the engine, and overrevving the hell out of it. But that's part of the fun

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    Re: Driving the ATS Tomorrow- post questions/pic requests now

    I thought the 0-60 time with the MT was estimated to be 0.1 seconds slower that with the AT. Faster shifts keep the revs (and boost) up.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    that's why the 2.0T will be better with the manual. You will be able to keep the revs up off the line. Of course that becomes a balancing act of avoiding bogging the engine, and overrevving the hell out of it. But that's part of the fun

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    I am sure, on a drag strip, in a controlled environment, the auto will be faster every time. In the real world though, there's lots of variables. Also on the strip, you can do a brake-stall, which will bring the revs up on an automatic. But how many people are going to do that on the street? With a manual, you can control the revs off idle by adjusting your slip. Which of course is not good for the clutch.

    For myself, I will take the manual every time. Even if it is slower.

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    Please please please PLEASE upload those videos!!!!!!

    Much appreciated!

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    Re: Driving the ATS Tomorrow- post questions/pic requests now

    Thanks for all the precious info

    Can you comment on the seats (the standard ones not the performance ones) ? Are they more thight and narrow than the 2008+ CTS ? I find the CTS seats too wide, my 04 CTS seats were thighter than my current 09 seats

    Im debating between 2.5 luxury or 3.6 luxury, will try both
    Thanks!

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