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    Re: 2013 Cadillac ATS Gets Magnetic Ride Control Suspension

    I can't see the entire industry bowing down to BWI and their license fees. Clearly it will migrate through expensive cars, here's the problem though;

    It's a decade old by now, even by S-class trickle-down rules it should be in more cars now if it was going to happen(like adaptive cruise control, lane departure and rainsense wipers), the MRI fluid hasen't gotten cheaper, that's it's problem. It also presents some other issues like thickening after prolonged use, and if the average person has to chunk out $1.5-2G's for new shocks even every 100K, it's not going to catch on.

    Where I see it being used, is in other industries, like prostetics, for structural shocks to earthquake-proof buildings and maybe in other parts of the car--- porsche is using them in engine mounts.

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    Re: 2013 Cadillac ATS Gets Magnetic Ride Control Suspension

    BWI has the best system but they are not the only maker of what GM calls SADS (Semi-Active Dampening Suspension). ZF Sachs makes the system used on the Regal, Insignia, and Astra.

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    Re: 2013 Cadillac ATS Gets Magnetic Ride Control Suspension

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Cadillac View Post
    Cadillac has confirmed that the ATS will utilize the second generation Cadillac Magnetic Ride Control suspension.
    Why would the ATS get 2nd gen Magneride when the CTS-V uses 3rd gen? Are they really using older tech in the ATS, or should you have said 3rd gen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M5eater View Post
    I can't see the entire industry bowing down to BWI and their license fees. Clearly it will migrate through expensive cars, here's the problem though;

    It's a decade old by now, even by S-class trickle-down rules it should be in more cars now if it was going to happen(like adaptive cruise control, lane departure and rainsense wipers), the MRI fluid hasen't gotten cheaper, that's it's problem. It also presents some other issues like thickening after prolonged use, and if the average person has to chunk out $1.5-2G's for new shocks even every 100K, it's not going to catch on.

    Where I see it being used, is in other industries, like prostetics, for structural shocks to earthquake-proof buildings and maybe in other parts of the car--- porsche is using them in engine mounts.
    I could be wrong, but Magneride wsnt a new technology, only new to the automotive industry. Hasnt the military and aerospace industry been using this tech for a few years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0AT E03 View Post
    BWI has the best system but they are not the only maker of what GM calls SADS (Semi-Active Dampening Suspension). ZF Sachs makes the system used on the Regal, Insignia, and Astra.
    SRX uses the same brand as well, right? Im not familiar with how the ZF setup works, but Infiniti used to have an active setup too...I thought it was hydraulic. Q45, IIRC.

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    Re: 2013 Cadillac ATS Gets Magnetic Ride Control Suspension

    Why would the ATS get 2nd gen Magneride when the CTS-V uses 3rd gen? Are they really using older tech in the ATS, or should you have said 3rd gen?
    I would assume it's something is better than nothing in this case. 2nd gen magneride being better than plain old shocks. the ATS-V and sport ATS models getting 3rd gen MR, ect.

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    Re: 2013 Cadillac ATS Gets Magnetic Ride Control Suspension

    Replacement MR shocks are fairly cheap for the V. Don't think it's cost-prohibitive for the ATS...

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    Re: 2013 Cadillac ATS Gets Magnetic Ride Control Suspension

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    Replacement MR shocks are fairly cheap for the V. Don't think it's cost-prohibitive for the ATS...
    $3-400/shock is cheap?

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    Re: 2013 Cadillac ATS Gets Magnetic Ride Control Suspension

    Quote Originally Posted by M5eater View Post
    $3-400/shock is cheap?
    Performance Shocks typically run $200-$300 a pop. I bought a set of 2 shocks and 2 struts for my GTO for around a grand and that was cheap for performance shocks. So the MR shocks being $1200-$1600 for a set isn't that crazy.

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    Re: 2013 Cadillac ATS Gets Magnetic Ride Control Suspension

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    $3-400/shock is cheap?
    Quote Originally Posted by 0AT E03 View Post
    Performance Shocks typically run $200-$300 a pop. I bought a set of 2 shocks and 2 struts for my GTO for around a grand and that was cheap for performance shocks. So the MR shocks being $1200-$1600 for a set isn't that crazy.
    Yep, and I think Luke once quoted me mid-high $2hundreds...

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    The V1's FG2 options were usually around $1500. QA1s are at least $1G. Nevermind if you go with custom adjustables, which are what the MRs are, in a way...

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    Re: 2013 Cadillac ATS Gets Magnetic Ride Control Suspension

    You mis-understood, I'm questioning that they're cheap by overall shock standards. It's true that the germans offer adjustable suspensions on almost all their vehicles, but they make it an optional extra, what you're suggesting is that they make it standard, which will have a negative effect on the MSRP of the car.

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    Re: 2013 Cadillac ATS Gets Magnetic Ride Control Suspension

    The last time I replaced struts was on my Maxima. That was almost $1k. So $1500 does not seem that bad.
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    Re: 2013 Cadillac ATS Gets Magnetic Ride Control Suspension

    Quote Originally Posted by M5eater View Post
    You mis-understood, I'm questioning that they're cheap by overall shock standards. It's true that the germans offer adjustable suspensions on almost all their vehicles, but they make it an optional extra, what you're suggesting is that they make it standard, which will have a negative effect on the MSRP of the car.
    Lots of things that are standard have a negative impact on the MSRP. At some point it just becomes required.

    EPS in City Cars/Sub-Compacts costs more money than chepo hydraulic units but that isn't going to stop car makers from using EPS.
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    Re: 2013 Cadillac ATS Gets Magnetic Ride Control Suspension

    Quote Originally Posted by 0AT E03 View Post
    Lots of things that are standard have a negative impact on the MSRP. At some point it just becomes required.

    EPS in City Cars/Sub-Compacts costs more money than chepo hydraulic units but that isn't going to stop car makers from using EPS.
    also true. To be clear, standard mageride on the ATS would be a HUGE selling point, it would simply seem odd if they made it standard across the range when they're offering what would appear to be a very BASE model, and two premium powertrains. It makes more sense to make it apart of the 2.0T and 3.6 V6 powertrain packages.

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    Surprised there isn't more talk in this thread today after the revelation it will be < 3,400 lbs.

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    It's jalopnik, I think people are still wanting to see it on the scales. That said Cadillac's own advertising on their facebook page and site focuses on a light and aglie as characteristics of the car.

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    I don't buy that it weighs so little. Maybe the base car with none of the options. Sure, you add everything on it and it's topping 3600 lbs. The AWD version loaded probably is closer to 3800 lbs.

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