New Cadillac ATS Forum

[Lord Cadillac]

The "Alpha" or ATS small car is now formally approved after several delays. This will be Cadillac's new entry level vehicle and will compete directly with BMW's 3-Series vehicles. It'll be available as a coupe and a sedan - convertible and wagon versions are completed but have not yet been approved. The ATS will be a base RWD vehicle with AWD optional. It'll have 4 and 6 cylinder variants and will be styled along the lines of the CTS. Design work was completed several years ago and modified slightly since then.

Discuss...

[Albertan]

This is exactly the car I have been looking for. I have a 2006 V, my wife drives our original 2004CTS. Our kids are gone so we don't need a big car. I refuse to buy another front wheel drive car. So what were my choices? Mustang, Challenger, Camero or G8. Of those only the G8 interests me at all. So I looked at foreign cars and of course looked at BMW. I have actually been on a factory tour in Munich. My neighbours have: M5, M3, 330CI, 325I, 323I so this spring I picked up a 1995 318IS to rebuild just for the heck of it. I also wouldn't buy a new BMW so I was thinking of a nearly new one when the time came, which in this economy won't be for a while.
I'm anxious to see what the ATS will look like and when they will be available.
I'd like to see it less than 3500 pounds with the 304hp 3.6 litre motor and then a V version with 400+.

[70eldo]

I am really looking forward to the ATS! Seems like the BLS won't be revived then?
So, no more A, B, C, D models range?

So ATS, CTS, SRX, XTS remain. Or if BLS would come back, it will be BTS. But only when the CTS has grown to fit in between.
Somehow XTS doesn't fit in the sequence. Will we be surprised again like with the SRX that was supposedly the BRX? Maybe the XTS will be released as DTS afterall? Hence the FWD platform?

[Lord Cadillac]

Originally Posted by Albertan

This is exactly the car I have been looking for. I have a 2006 V, my wife drives our original 2004CTS. Our kids are gone so we don't need a big car. I refuse to buy another front wheel drive car. So what were my choices? Mustang, Challenger, Camero or G8. Of those only the G8 interests me at all. So I looked at foreign cars and of course looked at BMW. I have actually been on a factory tour in Munich. My neighbours have: M5, M3, 330CI, 325I, 323I so this spring I picked up a 1995 318IS to rebuild just for the heck of it. I also wouldn't buy a new BMW so I was thinking of a nearly new one when the time came, which in this economy won't be for a while.
I'm anxious to see what the ATS will look like and when they will be available.
I'd like to see it less than 3500 pounds with the 304hp 3.6 litre motor and then a V version with 400+.

I think the CTS will look good as a small car (with minor modifications, as mentioned). I'm also anxious to get some idea of what it'll look like..

Originally Posted by 70eldo

I am really looking forward to the ATS! Seems like the BLS won't be revived then?
So, no more A, B, C, D models range?

So ATS, CTS, SRX, XTS remain. Or if BLS would come back, it will be BTS. But only when the CTS has grown to fit in between.
Somehow XTS doesn't fit in the sequence. Will we be surprised again like with the SRX that was supposedly the BRX? Maybe the XTS will be released as DTS afterall? Hence the FWD platform?

I don't think Cadillac is 100% on any of these names yet.. But - there's always the possibility that they are...

ATS - 3-Series, C-Class, IS
CTS - 5-Series. E-Class, GS
SRX - RX, X5, Whatever
XTS - Hmm.. Not too sure.. Kinda like a 7-Series, S-Class, LS (but not)
Escalade line - Navigator, LX

I think that's what it's going to be...

[70eldo]

Originally Posted by Lord Cadillac

I think the CTS will look good as a small car (with minor modifications, as mentioned). I'm also anxious to get some idea of what it'll look like..



I don't think Cadillac is 100% on any of these names yet.. But - there's always the possibility that they are...

ATS - 3-Series, C-Class, IS
CTS - 5-Series. E-Class, GS
SRX - RX, X5, Whatever
XTS - Hmm.. Not too sure.. Kinda like a 7-Series, S-Class, LS (but not)
Escalade line - Navigator, LX

I think that's what it's going to be...

But the Alpha Platform was already announced (like 2-3 years ago?) to compete A3, BMW 1, VW Golf-platform cars when they also had plans for a new RWD BLS (on Delta II?) to compete the 3-series, A4, C-class...

[Lord Cadillac]

Originally Posted by 70eldo

But the Alpha Platform was already announced (like 2-3 years ago?) to compete A3, BMW 1, VW Golf-platform cars when they also had plans for a new RWD BLS (on Delta II?) to compete the 3-series, A4, C-class...

I wasn't aware of any plans for Cadillac to have anything competing with the BMW 1-Series...

[rp0420]

i found this, but i think it might just be a photoshopped cts. And the lower half of the body toward the back looks kinda like a mazda protege

http://www.blogauto.com.br/wp-conten...dillac_ats.jpg

[The Tony Show]

I still don't understand why everyone is in such a hurry to pidgeonhole every new car in to a "class", and define it by "what it competes against" instead of "what it is". For chrissakes people- we haven't even seen the car, the size, the specs or the price, and we're already trying to figure out if it competes against the 1 or 3 series?

Here's an idea: Instead of "Here's Cadillac's version of the 3 series" or "Cadillac's version of the 1 series", let's look at it as "Here's Cadillac's smaller, RWD sport luxury car".

[The Tony Show]

Originally Posted by rp0420

i found this, but i think it might just be a photoshopped cts. And the lower half of the body toward the back looks kinda like a mazda protege

http://www.blogauto.com.br/wp-conten...dillac_ats.jpg

My God, that's awful- looks like a Catera that a 5th grader Photoshopped the nose of a Gen 1 CTS on to.

[Vinsanity]

Originally Posted by Lord Cadillac

XTS - Hmm.. Not too sure.. Kinda like a 7-Series, S-Class, LS (but not)

I'm hoping for it to be a "tweener" like the Mercedes CLS. There's a lot of room in between the E- and S-classes, and not alot of competition. Although that price point is currently occupied by the Lexus LS and Jaguar XJ; Caddy's going to have to tell the beancounters to go to hell and shoot for the stars if they want to succeed here.

[Albertan]

Tony
I don't care what it competes with. I hadn't thought of that. I just want a car that is smaller than the CTS. Now that we are older we don't need all the room. Maybe it would even have the optional permanent left turn signal for us oldies?
Now that you've brought up the Catera, the machine shop that does my engine crank and boring has one of their employees that has a Catera V! I guess that was a little known option! Guess he's a wanna V.

[Rodya234]

I'm hoping that the current images don't reflect the actual production model, because right now it looks like a cheap Geely made ripoff of the CTS.

Also, for some reason, when these auto magazines and such come out with "renditions" the photoshop jobs all look terrible. :-/

[The Tony Show]

Originally Posted by Albertan

Now that you've brought up the Catera, the machine shop that does my engine crank and boring has one of their employees that has a Catera V! I guess that was a little known option! Guess he's a wanna V.

There was no such thing.

I recall seeing a guy on here that dropped an LS motor into his Catera and made his own "V" (complete with badging and all), but it certainly didn't come that way from the factory.

[Lord Cadillac]

Originally Posted by The Tony Show

I still don't understand why everyone is in such a hurry to pidgeonhole every new car in to a "class", and define it by "what it competes against" instead of "what it is". For chrissakes people- we haven't even seen the car, the size, the specs or the price, and we're already trying to figure out if it competes against the 1 or 3 series?

Here's an idea: Instead of "Here's Cadillac's version of the 3 series" or "Cadillac's version of the 1 series", let's look at it as "Here's Cadillac's smaller, RWD sport luxury car".

It just gives people something to talk about, Tony. There are plenty of people out there who love the BMW 3-Series - and would love even more to have one with a Cadillac design and American heritage... My feeling is that thinking, "Here's Cadillac's smaller, RWD sport luxury car" going without saying or even thinking. That IS what it is... The comparison is just food for thought...

Originally Posted by rp0420

i found this, but i think it might just be a photoshopped cts. And the lower half of the body toward the back looks kinda like a mazda protege

http://www.blogauto.com.br/wp-conten...dillac_ats.jpg

Nope. That's nothing...

Originally Posted by Vinsanity

I'm hoping for it to be a "tweener" like the Mercedes CLS. There's a lot of room in between the E- and S-classes, and not alot of competition. Although that price point is currently occupied by the Lexus LS and Jaguar XJ; Caddy's going to have to tell the beancounters to go to hell and shoot for the stars if they want to succeed here.

A "tweener" would be fine but I don't think that's what we're going to get.

[Albertan]

Tony
Yep, I knew there was no such thing as the Catera V. Little badge engineering I guess. I did see the Catera with the LS engine but I would have to say why?
Lots of effort and it isn't the best looking car around.