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    What Were the Allante's Main Rivals?

    What were the main rival cars of the Allante?

    1. Mercedes SL
    2. Jaguar XJ-S
    3. Chrysler TC by Maserati
    4. Buick Reatta (to a lesser extent)

    Am I missing anything obvious? If you were a consumer around 1990, would you be cross-shopping any other luxury coupes/convertibles against the Allante?

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    Re: What Were the Allante's Main Rivals?

    I think you've hit the nail on the head as to why the Allante never sold well. While Cadillac compared it to Mercedes or Jag, the FWD configuration removed it from most people's consideration as a luxury / performance 2-seater.

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    Re: What Were the Allante's Main Rivals?

    I think that the main reason it didn't sell well was that it didn't have the options to complete in it's price range. The entire 747 assembly line kept the cost up way above it's actual value. A used 1993 Northstar Allante, which was the car's pentacle, still can't complete with a used 1993 Mercedes 500SL right now, let alone then. I definitely love my Allante, but it's still not a Mercedes!

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    Re: What Were the Allante's Main Rivals?

    I am no authority on any of this. I just read a 1992 Car and Driver article that compared the 93 Allante with the Jag and Mercedes. In that comparision the Allante came out #1.

    I guess my point is, the comparison was with a Mercedes 300 SL, not a 500. The writer made it clear, the Allante would not stand a chance against a 500.

    Was not Cadillac, at the time, going after the 300 SL buyer, not the 500?

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    Re: What Were the Allante's Main Rivals?

    The 300SL was a six cylinder, the 500 was their top of the line V-8, let alone the V-12 600SL. You would have to assume (and that's where I'm wrong) that you compare your best, the 295HP Northstar, against their best! But that would be waaaaay too logical!!!

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    Re: What Were the Allante's Main Rivals?

    Thanks for the input, guys. I am mostly concerned with this because I was hoping to track Allante prices. I had done so for the last few months and also for the Chrysler TC by Maserati and Buick Reatta, as well as a few non-related favorites of mine. Adding Mercedes SL and Jaguar XJS prices seemed to daunting, but could be done if necessary.

    I had the Allante prices broken down including the general average as well as the average prices of Phase I, Phase II, and Phase III cars.

    Would anybody be interested in an Allante price breakdown like this? I think it would be good info for anyone looking at the cars...

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    Re: What Were the Allante's Main Rivals?

    Yes, please post that info.

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    Re: What Were the Allante's Main Rivals?

    Quote Originally Posted by billc83 View Post
    Thanks for the input, guys...I had the Allante prices broken down including the general average as well as the average prices of Phase I, Phase II, and Phase III cars.

    Would anybody be interested in an Allante price breakdown like this? I think it would be good info for anyone looking at the cars...
    Bill - what sources are being used to gather the data? Ebay Motors? General internet scans?

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    Re: What Were the Allante's Main Rivals?

    Originally, I compiled info from 4 sources: CraigsList, Ebay Motors, AutoTrader, and Hemmings. I also used cars for sale from clubs, when available. I narrowed it down last month to CraigsList, which has enough listings in my opinion to get very good data. I then input into spreadsheet and use some simple math to find the average. Other statistical nuances could be easily found and over time could help to track trends. Nothing too exciting.

    As everything goes, it's not perfect. The system only reflects asking price (or "buy it now" price on Ebay). Though I tried my hardest to avoid inputing multiple listings, mistakes can be made. Using CraigsList alone also lowers the average price a bit, as it seems more quality cars can be found in Hemmings/Ebay/AutoTrader.

    I am unaware if anyone else is doing something similar to this. I just thought it would be interesting to see how Allantes hold their value versus some of their competitors. Figured I might test the waters here.

    As a personal aside, my computer crashed two days ago and took with it the last three months of data So if I start again I will be building from scratch, but I might also include XJS and SL data, if so needed.

    Any feedback or suggestions are welcome...

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    Re: What Were the Allante's Main Rivals?

    Definitely a worth while project.

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    Re: What Were the Allante's Main Rivals?

    Quote Originally Posted by D Yaros View Post
    I am no authority on any of this. I just read a 1992 Car and Driver article that compared the 93 Allante with the Jag and Mercedes. In that comparision the Allante came out #1.

    I guess my point is, the comparison was with a Mercedes 300 SL, not a 500. The writer made it clear, the Allante would not stand a chance against a 500.

    Was not Cadillac, at the time, going after the 300 SL buyer, not the 500?
    Given the high pricing that Mercedes had on their cars then (as they do now), perhaps the reason the 300SL was picked was to keep the competitors on a fairly even price level?

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    Re: What Were the Allante's Main Rivals?

    Bill...be sure to use the Allantes 'For Sale' in The Insider magazine from the the Allante Club of America, they will definitely off-set the Craigslist prices!

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    Re: What Were the Allante's Main Rivals?

    Quote Originally Posted by billc83 View Post
    As a personal aside, my computer crashed two days ago and took with it the last three months of data ...
    Any feedback or suggestions are welcome...
    Not being a smart a&& I would suggest a backup drive. It can be very deflating to loose information in the middle of a project. As a guy with an IT background, I can tell you it's too easy in the days of information overload and storage to loose half your life's data.

    That being said I would gladly help compile info if you'd liketo chunk-up the sources and each start looking.

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    Re: What Were the Allante's Main Rivals?

    Yeah, I know. Losing the Allante data wasn't too big a deal. Each month can bring more. I'm more disheartened about several hundred pictures, and a few pieces of writing that are gone for good. Oh well. Onwards and upwards.

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    Re: What Were the Allante's Main Rivals?

    I think the Allante prices will rebound, some day. The Jag XJS is in a free fall for pricing, due to bad reputation problems as they get old and the Benz SL prices have come down a bit as well. I'm on my 3rd Allante and I've had a few older SL's and both cars have strong and weak points. The front wheel drive and manual top are the only 2 real drawbacks on the Cadi. The Benz have as many faults if not more and the Jag's still have reliability problems that are definitely more expensive to correct than the Cadi.

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