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    Not to Shabby I agree!

    For a low mileage hopefully soon to be classic with a hard top, I think that was a fair price. Other would agree and some would disagree. My wife wants a Benz convertable, and they seem to hold their values to the point that a low mileage late 70's 450SL brings much more than an Allante. What would I rather have? An Allante, but if Momma ain't happy nobodys happy and if Daddy ain't happy nobody cares. She will get her Benz one day, but I wonder how long she will be happy with it. My Allante will stay in the garage for as long as I can keep it shiney and running or XLR's depriciate to the point that I can afford one.

    I fell in love with the Allante when I first saw them. It only took me 10 years to finally justify buying one that was low mileage(40,000) and in great shape. I now have about 58,000 miles on the clock and I have only had it for three years. Its not a car I drive everyday, and Yes it is a garage Queen. When I do drive it I truely love the time behind the wheel. My wife will drive her Benz everyday if and when we get it, but I think that her love for the car will fade after she spends some time behind the wheel. I may be wrong, and I may growe to like the Benz as well, but the Allante is still my favorite rag top and that will not fade.

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    Yea, I still like mine. A lot of people don't know what it is and always ask. It's nice to have something and not see yourself coming in the opposite direction.

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    Re: holy crap Alantes hold their value!

    Quote Originally Posted by Allante North *
    Not to Shabby I agree!

    For a low mileage hopefully soon to be classic with a hard top, I think that was a fair price. Other would agree and some would disagree. My wife wants a Benz convertable, and they seem to hold their values to the point that a low mileage late 70's 450SL brings much more than an Allante. What would I rather have? An Allante, but if Momma ain't happy nobodys happy and if Daddy ain't happy nobody cares. She will get her Benz one day, but I wonder how long she will be happy with it. My Allante will stay in the garage for as long as I can keep it shiney and running or XLR's depriciate to the point that I can afford one.

    I fell in love with the Allante when I first saw them. It only took me 10 years to finally justify buying one that was low mileage(40,000) and in great shape. I now have about 58,000 miles on the clock and I have only had it for three years. Its not a car I drive everyday, and Yes it is a garage Queen. When I do drive it I truely love the time behind the wheel. My wife will drive her Benz everyday if and when we get it, but I think that her love for the car will fade after she spends some time behind the wheel. I may be wrong, and I may growe to like the Benz as well, but the Allante is still my favorite rag top and that will not fade.
    I have owned several (12) Mercedes SLs all years. I currently own a '73 450SL with about 80,000 miles (I bought it with 55,000 about 5 years ago). Here are some Mercedes SL suggestions that you may use as a quiet guide while looking for an SL fir your wife: If simpler is better for YOU, consider an earlier car; they are relatively difficult to locate, but no more expensive (sometimes less).

    The '73s have the least pollution stuff and they kept hanging on pollution stuff up through the '70's. Avoid the '75s and 76's as they were the worst. In the early '80's they went to a smaller engine and the cars became a 380SL. Finally, the late '80s became the 560SL which is a lovely, powerful car but much more complex.

    Up through the mid-80's, the cars had a manual top (that may be a problem for your wife, but it is foolproof and works easier than an Allante unit!). All of the cars through 1989 look the same EXCEPT the '73s appear different as the bumpers are closer to the body; they are the "small bumper" cars.

    Later cars had an automatic A/C which is a very complicated system; whereas the earlier cars had a straightforward manual A/C system. The Mercedes A/C (either manual or automatic) is not nearly as good as a GM unit.

    The interior of the later cars have more wood, but you can add the wood dash kit (just like an Allante). Parts are equally available for both.

    Brian Bray

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    Re: holy crap Alantes hold their value!

    I love the NS Allante and have had the honor of owning two over the years, both 93's, the last I sold in 2000. Other than the poor weight distribution due the the ultra heavy nose and the extremely lose body integrity, the other problem I had was resale. I figured that a NS Allante was definatly a rare car, but the resale of them compared to new is just as bad, if not worse than any other cadillac.

    Being around cars I have determined that Cadillac resale is poor because of the owners. Unfortunalty most of them have lots of money and buy a new Cadillac every couple years. When they go in to the dealer, they are so willing to "give" the car away on trade, thus dropping the value of everyone else that owns the same model. This also makes for a hell of a great job as a salesman at a used Cadillac delership... I mean the dealer can make 10-12G's on one car just from "stealing" them from the willing trade ins and can make for a hell of a paycheck for a car salesman. A friend made well over 100K for many years doing just this at a dealer. Mercedes are right on this line too. Cant think of anywhere else you can lose as much money than on a new mercedes.. Not even the casino!

    Compare Cadillac resale to a chevy truck resale. The average chevy truck owner does not have the funds the new cadillac buyer and trader has. When the chevy truck owner goes to the dealer, he is usually insulted on the trade offer and does not let his truck go, He ends up keeping it for years and driving the wheels off of it, thus making nice used chevy trucks kind of rare and is the answer for their great resale value. Supply and demand. Unfortunatly I dont think its ever going to change for cadillac due to the clientel, but it sure makes for great used cars for cheap!


    Sold this great car below in 00. Had the basic NS mods along with suspension and my farorive wheels to put on FWD cads. I regret selling it, but had to do it while it was still worth something. Got mid 30's for it at the time and thought I was giving it away. Glad I sold it whne I did. Had 22,000 on it. Today these are great values as you can get these with modest miles in the high teens. Just put some sub frame connectors on them as they are sloppy. I have debated on finding another, but the STS is such a better balanced car, I kind of am partial to its feel over having no roof. I always keep my eyes open though.


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    Re: holy crap Alantes hold their value!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra Slow
    Sold this great car below in 00. Had the basic NS mods along with suspension and my farorive wheels to put on FWD cads. I regret selling it, but had to do it while it was still worth something. Got mid 30's for it at the time and thought I was giving it away. Glad I sold it whne I did. Had 22,000 on it. Today these are great values as you can get these with modest miles in the high teens. Just put some sub frame connectors on them as they are sloppy. I have debated on finding another, but the STS is such a better balanced car, I kind of am partial to its feel over having no roof. I always keep my eyes open though.
    I like the wheels. What brand are they?

    What did you mean regarding subframe connectors? Did you put them on yours?

    When I couldn't find the exact replacement subframe mounts (the rubber donuts) from GM, I considered going to aluminum or plastic replacements. Instead, I opted for a mix of other other year Allante and some Eldo pieces. Still thinking about going with solid mounts though in the future.

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    THe wheels are TSW Hockinheiem R, 17x8, built for FWD car. Will work on GP, STS, Allante, Deville, etc. I have had them on 3 different cadillacs and will hel;p turn your slop-barge into a decent driving car. I use the factory impala SS tire, 255/50 17's on the car. No lowering, no mods, just put them on. Tire height is the same as stock so there is no spedo issue and no "ricer gap" from a lower tire.

    Subframe connectors are going to be something that you are going to have to make. I recommend welding a bar down the sides of the unibody from the back of the front wheel, to fron of the rear. This will stiffen up the body structure of the allante quite a bit. The allante really is a flimsy car, this gaining its dislike with many knowledgable car enthisiasts and critics. The subrframe connectors will put is about 70% what an SL body structure is.. Stock its "0%" compared to the SL structure in my book. Who is going to do this???? If you are in dallas, I know a great guy, if your are elsewhere, just find a hot rod shop dealing with mustang verts... You basically want to do the same thing to those as the allante as far as subframes.

    Quote Originally Posted by ckucia
    I like the wheels. What brand are they?

    What did you mean regarding subframe connectors? Did you put them on yours?

    When I couldn't find the exact replacement subframe mounts (the rubber donuts) from GM, I considered going to aluminum or plastic replacements. Instead, I opted for a mix of other other year Allante and some Eldo pieces. Still thinking about going with solid mounts though in the future.

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    Ultra Slow,

    You have gotten the litle wheels in my head spinning. Tell us more about how to tune up the Allante. I am interested in the mods you speak of. I am not a purist, and like some mild to wild mods to consider for mine. I would love to get my Northstar Allante into the 13 second range that you spoke of with your Seville.

    Don't make me beg.

    I also have a Cadillac 425 torn down and waiting to be freshend up with some key new parts. Still undecided on exactly what since I settled for the 425 instead of the 500. It was cheap and I got the TH 400 tranny for what some 76cc heads might have cost. Perhaps you have some suggestions there as well.

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    Re: holy crap Allantes hold their value!

    Dont think I can help you on the 13 sec on the allante without doing some heavy changes, even though its almost the same thing as the STS. The early N*, at least mine my allante and other cars, did not run as hard as the newer ones. I think the main reason it the intake manafold change to the "plastic fantastic"... It seems to flow better. My STS, stock to stock, would flat kill my 93 allante, and I know that does not make a lot of since but thats it what I have found on two 93 allantes and some early STS's. Now you can make yours a bit faster of course by the very basics, good air intake, loose the screen, and a good high flowing exhaust. There once was a "chip" that I believe was made by Jones, or JET, that was for the 93 N*. Never had one myself but it was supposed to help a good bit, probably on the lines of what I have done to my 97 and if you are interested in performance, I would definatly seek this out too.

    As far as the BB Cad, It depends on the application of course. It takes a whole lot of everything to get good HP out of those engines, but takes nothing to get the torque. I went right down the middle on my 500 at the suggestions of the builder, MTS, Al Betker. The motor is about 11:1 compression, big cam, big valves, big intake, etc all wraped up in a somewhat stock look under the hood with all accessories, AC to cruse control and even a dummied up air pump. Its a bit much for a daily driver, but is really more drivable than a new corvette in my opinion. A chevy motor with all this going that went into the cad would be about 600HP... The cad is more like 500 but with 600+ on torque and a whole lot more reliable. It does not take a bunch of gears, just good heavy parts that would be inherant to a BB cad of 77-81. Putting this in a 4100 would be a total reconfig of the entire light duty drive line of course.

    If you have a nice cad and want it to move, go this route. I am putting together a page for my 80 model that will show you how to make a high 12 car out of a brougham, make it handle, get almost as good of economy as original, be 100% reliable without the flaws of most hot rods, and not look like some cheese ball hot rod to boot, at least in my opinion. I simply have never had more fun in any car in my life as my 80 model brougham... I have owned over 100, raced since before the state would allow me to get a drivers license, 14 years old, I currently own cars that will go over 200MPH and are worth 20 times what this old cadillac is, but the big block cadillac will simply blow the minds of everyone who tries to out accelerate you, then gets frustrated and races you just to show their "performace car" aint going to take it from that old mans car barge... I mean you got to see the looks on the faces of these guys in everything from Turbo Porsches to Harley's and my farorite targets these days, S&S motored choppers (I dont get these things?), not to mention the fun with ricers, but thats just picking on the weak..... Its beyond funny when you race and beat by a good margin these "fast" vehicles that have more ego in the driver seat than motor under the hood.

    Its a rare occasion to actually lose a race in the cad, but it took a CL 600 to do it along with some all out modded very fast street cars, some owned by car buddies... but even in those rare cases the loss was not by much.. I am sure these defeted guys are not running home and telling their friends what happend, but to me, just knowing what is going on in their heads and questioning thier purchase of a 100K+ car in many cases that loses to or barely pulls a car that looks like the same old POS that "old uncle joe" has had sitting under his willow tree for 20 years, waiting to be sold for pennies as fast as technically possible by an unappreciative family when that unfortunate day that "unlcle joe" dies... This to me is just flat funny. Nice old cadillacs are better cars tham most of these people will ever own but these cars have absolutly no respect on the road, and definatly have no respect from the younger generation. Kicking their tails with them is simply a joy. Life is great!

    Quote Originally Posted by Allante North *
    Ultra Slow,

    You have gotten the litle wheels in my head spinning. Tell us more about how to tune up the Allante. I am interested in the mods you speak of. I am not a purist, and like some mild to wild mods to consider for mine. I would love to get my Northstar Allante into the 13 second range that you spoke of with your Seville.

    Don't make me beg.

    I also have a Cadillac 425 torn down and waiting to be freshend up with some key new parts. Still undecided on exactly what since I settled for the 425 instead of the 500. It was cheap and I got the TH 400 tranny for what some 76cc heads might have cost. Perhaps you have some suggestions there as well.

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    Thanks for the info Ultra Slow!

    I am interested in the sub frame connectors that you spoke of. Did you do this to your Allante before you sold her? If you did and have any pictures, I would love to see them.

    To be quite honest, I don't want to fix anything that isn't broken, but if there is a reason to get into the North* in the near future, I would like to open ip the exhaust ports and deck the heads just a bit. I did some exhaust work on mine and am pleased with the results, but not 100% happy since there isn't egnough room to run true dual exhaust. If you have any suggestions, please feel free to let us know. I'm always looking for a new tangent to head off into to help the performance of my Caddy.

    Your right about Life is Great. Everyday I wake up I'm just proud to be here and thank my lucky stars that I have what do.

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    Re: holy crap Allantes hold their value!

    Hi Again,

    I hear you on the not fix anything before its broke. I take this approach with the wifes car and my driver 96... It is definatly the best.

    As far as the sub-frame, I consider it a "must" on any allante even if you never do anything else to the car. I dont have any pictures from the bottom, but there really is not much to it. Any good welder at a place like a muffler or frame shop should be able to make you some for the car with ease if you discribe what you want. I just took the idea from some of those early camaro/firebird convertible conversions I looked at, and had my muffler guy that does all my exhausts, bolt in 4 locations and tack weld the length of the car, some angle iron pieces along the unibody sides. The iron pieces were just cut to fit by him and probably only weighed about 30-40LBS total. It is a major inprovment and I as I have mentioned before, the allante really is a very loose body car. In fact I cant even really tolerate driving any of these cars without the sub frames after feeling the difference. These should even help the life of the car because alot of the squeeks/rattles came out of my pearl 93 when I did this and when you would go up an incline, the entire allante would flex and twist like a pretzel... This is pretty much eliminated. I could jack up mine by one of the corners with two wheels off the ground and the doors would open and shut as it the car was sitting on the ground... Try this on yours.. You will find that the body lines may even hit each other and the doors probably will not open.

    If I ever get another allante, I wont even wash it before it goes in for frame connectors. I might even do an "x" brace on the next one as ther is no drive shaft to worry about and it would be very easy too.

    Do this to you car and I think you will find a new found love for it. Just need to add about 250LBS in the trunk to balance out the poor weight distribution and the car would be about right!

    Quote Originally Posted by Allante North *
    Thanks for the info Ultra Slow!

    I am interested in the sub frame connectors that you spoke of. Did you do this to your Allante before you sold her? If you did and have any pictures, I would love to see them.

    To be quite honest, I don't want to fix anything that isn't broken, but if there is a reason to get into the North* in the near future, I would like to open ip the exhaust ports and deck the heads just a bit. I did some exhaust work on mine and am pleased with the results, but not 100% happy since there isn't egnough room to run true dual exhaust. If you have any suggestions, please feel free to let us know. I'm always looking for a new tangent to head off into to help the performance of my Caddy.

    Your right about Life is Great. Everyday I wake up I'm just proud to be here and thank my lucky stars that I have what do.

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    Ultra Slow, could I get that info from you on where to get this done in Dallas? Tried sending you an email using the address on your website, but wasn't sure if it is getting through.

    You can email direct to cory@creamer.com, if you like.

    Also, what should one expect to pay for this?

    Thanks,
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    Dont think I got it.. Sorry... Sub frames can be done almost at any muffler/welding shop, but call Joes Muffler in Addison if you are in the area. It will probably be about 350-400 if I remember right.

    Quote Originally Posted by ccreamer
    Ultra Slow, could I get that info from you on where to get this done in Dallas? Tried sending you an email using the address on your website, but wasn't sure if it is getting through.

    You can email direct to cory@creamer.com, if you like.

    Also, what should one expect to pay for this?

    Thanks,
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    Re: holy crap Alantes hold their value!

    Quote Originally Posted by rickko
    My brother and I sold our dad's '76 Eldo Barritz Convert for $3k about 6 mos ago. It had sat in his garage since 1996 but unbelievibly, it started up when we put a new battery and some gas in it. It was white w/white top and white leather interior. Overall it was in very good condition as it had less than 55,000 original miles on it. For the last 10 years he used it he'd enter it every year in the local Cadillac club car show and win a prize.

    It did have some damage in one front corner from a minor accident he had on the last day we let him drive it, but all parts replaceable.

    The guy who bought it says he's put a few grand into it to bring it back to better than good condition and reliable operation. I hate to think what kinda mileage it gets.

    If I remember correctly that car had a 472ci. engine; biggest Cad V-8 ever made, right?

    The big engines topped out at 500ci.

    ..rickko..

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    Re: holy crap Alantes hold their value!

    Me Too !!! What Do You Mean Sub-frame Connectors ? What Do They Do ? Where Do You Get Them ?

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