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    Re: Dang deal - A NEW 1992 for sale ?

    The Allante community is weird. Focusing on mileage more than anything else, including condition.
    It is assumed that if one acquires a low mileage car, the condition can be improved by hitting the parts market, IMHO, a correct assumption where a car shows age and stress.

    So, what is a low mileage car? It varies, but I assure you that at 130,000 miles, an Allante is an unwanted commodity no matter the model year or the color. At around 60,000 miles it is considered low mileage. Crazy ideology, but is is what it is. Remember, it matters not what year model.

    Lastly, in a world of valuable LOW MILEAGE cars, the Allante may be about he easiest car I have ever known to tamper with mileage .
    HOW? As I see it, you need THREE things.
    1. A car that has been off the public data domain (ie .. CarFax), or fell off after 10 years of not being registered,
    2. DIGITAL CLUSTER; analogs do not read the BCM PROM,
    3. low mileage BCM or BCM PROM from a low mileage donor.

    Unlike the analog cluster, the digital cluster does NOT hold data, but reads it from the computer.

    The PROM in the BCM retains the total original mileage for a car in memory.
    ~ From Allante XYZ Facts

    Not everything is what it seems to be.
    Verify before you buy, specially when the buy is high priced.




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    Re: Dang deal - A NEW 1992 for sale ?

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    Is the mileage readable from anywhere in the diagnostics?

    Theorectically replacing the digital with an analog would accomplish the same ? No? Unless it it is indeed readable from the diagnostics!

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    Re: Dang deal - A NEW 1992 for sale ?

    Quote Originally Posted by wcoates View Post
    Zal
    Is the mileage readable from anywhere in the diagnostics?

    Theorectically replacing the digital with an analog would accomplish the same ? No? Unless it it is indeed readable from the diagnostics!
    Bill, not that I know off!

    The ANALOG cluster is mechanical and you pull it and transfer it, the mileage goes with it unless you OPEN IT and turn the wheels back, which CAN BE DONE in minutes - and -- it is highly ILLEGAL. Shady dealers do it all the time.

    The DIGITAL cluster does NOT hold data, it simply reads the PROM in the BCM. So you can swap digital clusters all day long and they will all show the same mileage.

    IF you really want to know the true mileage of an ALLANTE, you have to do the following:

    - plug in a digital cluster and see what it reads
    - check public records, such as carfax, to see a history
    - maintenance records printed in DEALER LETTERHEAD are also excellent in providing history and mileage - THAT IS WHY they can be so important.
    - compare records and look for discrepancies.

    I assure you that at least some of those "low mileage" 30,000 mile Allantes are not so. Hey, buy a new or rem BCM with empty PROM, install it, drive car for a couple of years and you got a 30,000 mile car.

    Between you and me, I have serious doubts as to the avalanche of 1,000 to 25,000 mile Allantes I have seen lately. It is possible, but is going to be rare, really rare.

    I saw, in 2006 I believe, an Allante that was "found" locked into a back room after the owner died. OK, that one is most likely one if not hoax.

    I am sure that I am not the only one that has spotted the quirk of the Allante crowd and desire for "low mileage" cars .. someone, I bet, has made a few extra $$$ cuz of it.

    BTW, what is the street price of a BCM ? $50 !
    How about a "low mileage BCM ? $250 ? WHY ?

    I will let you answer that !

    One last thing .. can someone tell me how does one remove a car VIN from public records?
    Dont tell me you cant .. I have had THREE cars removed from public records and re-instated and each was done in a different manner.


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    Re: Dang deal - A NEW 1992 for sale ?

    Allante buyers aren't unique with their focus on low-mileage units. I came from the Corvette community and there is just as much, if not more, focus on odometer readings. My 81 had just under 29K miles on it when I bought it in 2005. It still had under 30K miles when I sold it this summer.

    One of the reasons I bought the Allante I did was to have more of a driver rather than garage queen. Sure it supposedly had only 33,xxx miles on it, but due to the repaint and sun damage on the dash cover, it will never be perfect. I just want to get all the mechanical and electrical items sorted out and drive it. If it gets a door ding in the parking structure at work I'll curse, but I won't stress out about it.

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    Re: Dang deal - A NEW 1992 for sale ?

    Quote Originally Posted by vanaisa View Post

    I bet price will be something around $18000
    ahhh ahhhh !
    you were way off !

    Winning bid: US $18,200.00
    but only cuz " r***1 ( 156) " stopped pushing it up.




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    Re: Dang deal - A NEW 1992 for sale ?

    well, here is another - 2100 miles 1993 model

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    Re: Dang deal - A NEW 1992 for sale ?

    Quote Originally Posted by vanaisa View Post
    well, here is another - 2100 miles 1993 model

    forget the Allante, I'll take the SS right behind it.


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