something I have noticed, the transfer of the '93s .. yet to no avail, I have tried to understand.
I also see more trashed '91s and '92s than any other year model, more '91 / '92 at the salvage yards
than any other model.
the '93 owners are the most populous and the loudest on the old argument of the best car but trade their cars more often, the '92 / '91 become donors the most often.
what is noted in these thoughts is happening more now than ever. Difference is, there were more '93s made
than both '91s & '92s put together, with the '92s having the lowest qty of any year at 1,933 units - a handful
of those VIN "10" hard top cars and fewer being Triple Black "10" cars.
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"Johnny Monzo" <itsonlyluv@comcast.net> wrote:
I have a 1993 Allante for sale 55,000 miles , Polo Green , tan interior , Analog dash , garage kept . Please call me at 410-343-3509 or email me an I can email you current photos . Price I am selling the car for is $6900.00 . Have lost interest in this car , need to make room in my garage for other new cars .
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Ron
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I'm not sure what effect the 90.5 has on anything. I'm not sure Allante buyers knew the difference between them at the time. The "Electric" soft top was a fraud.
As much as I like my top's virtually pure hand-operation with just the windshield header latches being electric, I've gotta say that the claims made for those latches are fraudulent. Many ads in e-Bay for Allantes refer to these as "Electric top" or "automatic top." which is a humbug.
My reasoning for the 91 being lower on percentages in the database is, I have the impression that, for some strange reason, 91 Allantes seem to get trashed more often than the others . . . I have utterly no clue why that would be. George Bush 41 was busy kicking Saddam's ass when the 91s were being delivered . . . Who knows. Perhaps 91 buyers possessed more "brio" and ran 'em harder. Who knows?
As to the 93s, they change hands much more often than the others. Out of proportion to the degree to which they outnumber each earlier year. I don't think owners "love" the 93 as deeply as the earlier cars, and I cannot think of a rational reason for that.
I could put tigether a convincing sales pitch for just about any year Allante, including the 93. If I had a 93, I'd probably love it as much as I do Max. But it wouldn't have the Recaros, It wouldn't have the redundant lighting system, it wouldn't have the magnificent Bosch III ABS/TCS (a dubious distinction shared by the earlier cars). What the 93 Allante is is a Seville in an Allante shell, with a Northstar power train, but beautiful, as are they all.
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"...If I had a 93, I'd probably love it as much as I do Max. But it wouldn't have the Recaros, It wouldn't have the redundant lighting system, it wouldn't have the magnificent Bosch III ABS/TCS (a dubious distinction shared by the earlier cars). What the 93 Allante is is a Seville in an Allante shell, with a Northstar power train, but beautiful, as are they all."
I think this sums it up. The '93 was less distictive as compared to the other Cadillacs of that year, less truly special features... And it was deprived of earlier features, i.e. recaro seats, special lighting, Bosch III, high performance door latches, etc. But by my way of thinking, anyone who is in the market for an Allante and does their homework is going to avoid the Northstar given it's well-documented troubles.
1. Want basic transportation, in style.
2. Want a Cadillac with a NorthStar and Seville seats.
3. want a car they can call "limited production". Collector mentality.
4. Want a car touched by the Ferrari folks at a fraction of the Ferrari cost.
5. Want a car that has lineage to the Indy 500.
1993 owners fit #2 and maybe #3 & #5. It is not difficult to see why they sell off the cars. Many do own the actual Sevilles, with a back seat. The value of their #3 plunges like a brick tossed from a high rise building.
The owners that adhere to #3 are also the most disappointed, often not driving the cars, not getting their investment return, lose lose ...
Everyone else fits one of the others or some combination thereof.
I drive a 93 for the following reasons:
1.) I can fix it
2.) Low cost transportation with good power
3.) Low cost for exotic insurance
4.) It's worth more in parts than the market value.
Yes, I've been looking for a 92 but have not had any luck at locating one for a bargain yet. What's the difference between a 91 & 92?
My main complaint with my 87 car is the low power. The engine had plenty of horsepower but it was not matched well to the gear ratio and it always felt boggy. From what I remember it has 3.23 gear ratios when it would have done much better with 4.10's.
You mentioned in another post about recalls on the 93 Allante for heads and plenums. Do you have any more information on this. I want to know what was done. Right now, I have a nasty miss at idle that I have not been able to cure on my 93. I have re gapped the spark plugs and put on a new set of wires and this did improve the situation but the miss at idle is still there. It is extremely frustrating around town because it stalls at stop lights and also in traffic jams. I'm wondering if my plenum has not been updated.
Yes, I've been looking for a 92 but have not had any luck at locating one for a bargain yet. What's the difference between a 91 & 92?
My main complaint with my 87 car is the low power. The engine had plenty of horsepower but it was not matched well to the gear ratio and it always felt boggy. From what I remember it has 3.23 gear ratios when it would have done much better with 4.10's.
You mentioned in another post about recalls on the 93 Allante for heads and plenums. Do you have any more information on this. I want to know what was done. Right now, I have a nasty miss at idle that I have not been able to cure on my 93. I have re gapped the spark plugs and put on a new set of wires and this did improve the situation but the miss at idle is still there. It is extremely frustrating around town because it stalls at stop lights and also in traffic jams. I'm wondering if my plenum has not been updated.
the '93 is notorious for coil pack failures .. check that.
the plenum, if it is mounted with rubber washers/grommets its updated .. if not, i suggest you park it .. the combo of the miss and the solid mounted plenum is not a good one.
From the Allante XYZ Facts :
PLENUM - originally was rigidly mounted to the plenum. In spring of ’93, different mounting bolts with torque fittings on bolt heads were installed on a RECALL. Rubber was installed under bolts so that if plenum blew up, it would press on top and come down again. Needs to be done on ALL 1993 models.
differences between a '91 & '92, really nothing. they both came with the 4T60E electronic transmission.
The biggest difference is the qty .. the'92 model year was shut down early to tool up for the '93 cars and they made quite a few less '92s than '91s, in any color. I seen over a dozen for under $5k in the past 60 days.
my main complaint on my '88 is the floppy visors, followed by the drive train.
Both of those are non-issues with the '91s / '92s.
unless you are into racing, you will NOT see any difference in power between the '91/'92 and the '93 until you exceed 120 mph.
the cars will run literally nose to nose from 0 to then.
AS you know it, the '91/'92 ABS w/traction control is the best, and will stop in less distance than today's Cadillacs.
4 to 8 feet in stopping can be the difference between an accident and "that was close".
I also believe that the '91/'92 are "stiffer" suspension wise, but I cant swear on that one.
My 93 has the rubber grommets. I replaced one of the coil packs that had completely failed but it was a cheapie coil pack. I'm going to start looking at the FPR and injectors.
My 93 brakes are pretty lame for a car of this caliber. It's too bad they didn't at least use a hydroboost unit like on my 82 diesel suburban. These units don't have any brake sponginess or delay like the vacuum units. I might look into converting it.
It's interesting that my '87 doesn't have a problem with floppy visors.
My 93 has the rubber grommets. I replaced one of the coil packs that had completely failed but it was a cheapie coil pack. I'm going to start looking at the FPR and injectors.
My 93 brakes are pretty lame for a car of this caliber. It's too bad they didn't at least use a hydroboost unit like on my 82 diesel suburban. These units don't have any brake sponginess or delay like the vacuum units. I might look into converting it.
It's interesting that my '87 doesn't have a problem with floppy visors.
By the time you "convert", you are better off selling it and swapping for a '92 that has everything you want. you will probably even have $$$ left over when its all done.
Right now, the '93 is still worth more than its parts .. but .. if you modify it, expect the value of the car to plummet. Allante people dont like conversions.
I expect that the '93 will be worth more in parts in a couple of years ..
Unless yours is a low mileage (30,000 miles or less), in mint condition, this is probably the time to trade it as values are going downhill fast. Additionally, as of this note, there are now probably more roadworthy '93s than all the other 6 years models put together.
The 1992 are running low, really low in numbers, probably under 600 roadworthy units left. I can go into the why later if you wish. Look at my signature .. it is a '92 that recently arrived at my stables. A '92 NU10xxxx H.T. triple black .. not many of those if you like it unique.
I been estimating for 5 years and been on target all the way .. ask Bill Coates. Of course, he probably thinks I have an Allante voodoo doll to make my predictions happen.
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