What is a Phase II hard top?

[Lord Cadillac]

Okay. I never saw this mentioned until now.. What is it?

[cadmat]

The phase Two hardtops had power latch mechanisms in the top to fasten it to the windshield, wheras the phase ones were a manual handle in a slightly different location. And they are usually a different color inside then ones.
To the best of my memory, I recall that the Allante's had 3 different hardtop latch designs incorporated into 3 slight style changes done over it's 7 year production span.. Generally the phases are broken down as Phase 1 , 87 to 1989&1/2 , phase II 89&1/2 to 92 and phase III is the final year, 1993..There are other differences too with the phases, factory CD player, traction control, speed sensitive ride control, redesign of the power seat controls, change to the seat seam patterns, some additional electronic add ons( like an oil life monitor) a change to the boot cover design, as well as color choice changes. Have I missed any? anyone who knows please feel free to chime in.. I'm no expert..

MAtt

[Lord Cadillac]

Thank you!

[wcoates]

Matt,

Nice description but I thought that the phase one was until 90.5. For the window sticker project we have done for the Allante, we had option pricing for 90 and 93 but still need 91 and 92. Anybody help.

[Stealth]

Did anyone look in the FAQ section, any and all our Allante sites?









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[cadmat]

Yes, I was mistaken about the years, 90 & 1/2 started the phase 2.... To verify what I thought I remembered for the earlier response I gave, I used the search function on another Allante site I'm all of a sudden a member of, and unfortunately was unable to get much useful info out of that function...
MAtt.

[Stealth]

Originally Posted by cadmat

Yes, I was mistaken about the years, 90 & 1/2 started the phase 2.... To verify what I thought I remembered for the earlier response I gave, I used the search function on another Allante site I'm all of a sudden a member of, and unfortunately was unable to get much useful info out of that function...
MAtt.

Sal, Mat,

I keep forgetting .. one of the three has no FAQ that common folks can find, unless I show you how.

however, this here site has one, http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...nte-faq-forum/
and then the non "S" site also does.

Ask, and you shall receive !

ps .. building the FAQs takes a whole lot more time that I expected. I also decided that cloning
allantesource is pretty darn important for the Allante community and that is moving along like molasses.









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[wcoates]

do we have documented anywhere just how many hardtops there are in existence. '87-'89 are equal to total production. I've heard 630 for the '93s between factory and dealer installed. That leaves phase IIs as the missing link. any way to check?

[Allantesource]

OEM Phase 2 hardtops do not have power latches like the convertible tops. They have a tool to turn a latch mechanism about 90 degrees to latch or unlatch the front. There is no way to tell exactly how many Phase 2 hardtops were sold, because some were dealer installed. There is also no exact tally of 1990.5 models with Phase 2 tops. According to Cadillac, 329 was the number of 1991 Allante's that had factory hardtop VIN numbers. For 1992, it was 232. It appears that about 550 hardtop Allante's were made in the 1990 model year. Perhaps about 250 of them were Phase 2, so with that assumption a little over 800 Phase 2 hardtop cars were produced.

[Stealth]

Originally Posted by wcoates

do we have documented anywhere just how many hardtops there are in existence. '87-'89 are equal to total production. I've heard 630 for the '93s between factory and dealer installed. That leaves phase IIs as the missing link. any way to check?

Where did you get that number?
IT doesnt sound right.

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Phase I cars are being terminated at an ever increasing rate. Easily, that has now reached 4 cars per week.
Since 100% of all Phase-I cars came with hard tops and rarely does the hard top get damaged, mainly because it is rarely on the car, there are a lot of hard tops sitting in rafters, a lot of them. At one point, there were over 10,000 Phase I hard tops. Today, between all year models, there arent that many Allantes left running. Today, there are more Hard Tops than surviving cars.

Assume that this year, another 200 Phase-I hard tops will be staying behind while the car goes to Allante heaven. At some point, as the demand dries up, the Phase-I HT market started to take a dive.

In 2004, the "its a great deal" price was $500. We are now seeing them in the $100 to $200 range.

Again, what was the question?

Did you notice something?
A total of 21,431 cars made .. or pretty close to that. +/- 5.

About 1/4 were PHASE-III cars, 1993
About 1/4 were PHASE-II cars, 1990.5, 1991, 1992, of which about 800 units were "10" series Hard Top cars.
About 1/2 of the grand total were PHASE-I cars, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, all 10,000+ units with Hard Tops.

About 1/10 were PHASE-II 1992s
of that, about 230 were of he "NU10xxxx" series, so around 230 of 1992 PHASE-II Hard Top cars?

About 1/7 were PHASE-II 1991s
of that, maybe 320 were of the "MU10xxxx" series, so around 320 1991 PHASE-II Hard Top cars?

You got all that?

[wcoates]

Gentleman
little help please. What would you say that I have here..converted phase one, true phase two etc. Friend of a friend wants to sell to me (reasonably ) cheap. Am out of town so I can't see it 'til Wednesday. As many of you know, I've only owned a phase 1 car.

[Stealth]

Originally Posted by wcoates

Gentleman
little help please. What would you say that I have here..converted phase one, true phase two etc. Friend of a friend wants to sell to me (reasonably ) cheap. Am out of town so I can't see it 'til Wednesday. As many of you know, I've only owned a phase 1 car.

Bill,

the picture you posted .. well .. my eyes cant see enough detail .. so, here is the answer in pictures so that you can compare with the one in front of you .. please post this topic and pictures in the tri-Allante community websites.

FYI - I am considering the possibility that the Phase II cars can accept both a Phase I or II Hard Top with a simple modification on the receiver .. the modification is on the car, basically undetected, the H.T., Phase I or II, remain untouched .. then everyone can have a $200 hard top .. a HT that can be swapped from a Phase I car to a Phase II car at a moments notice, w/o adaptations to the top.

it is way too early to tell .. yet .. the possibility is there. Keep in mind that the quantity of Phase I Hard Tops exceeds the quantity of surviving Allante cars for all 7 years. around 10,000 Phase I tops vs around 6,000 total surviving cars.

In the pictures, the installed top is of course a "Phase-I HT to a Phase-II car" .. the others are OEM PHASE II Hard Tops.


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