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2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V Performance Mods Discussion, Is AT V accelerate faster than MT V? in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009-2014; Originally Posted by Stillborn once you use the manual mode in the auto for a solid amount of street driving ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stillborn View Post
    once you use the manual mode in the auto for a solid amount of street driving seat time,...it's better that the manual, as it is crisper and fail/fool proof. the only thing you're missing is a cramped left calve muscle. i rev match up-shift and down, and can modulate the throttle to break the tires loose at will with no need for changing clutches every 2-3 yrs. and the sport mode for hi-way use is as good as it gets for ALWAYS being in the right gear at the right time. the manual is (sad to say) outdated horse and buggy tech. it's for those that need to drag the past into the future,...just ask Washington D.C.
    Or maybe you never learned to drive stick?

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    Re: Is AT V accelerate faster than MT V?

    Here's another AT-MT video for the viewers' pleasure


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    Re: Is AT V accelerate faster than MT V?

    hmmmmm

    I like this argument. I 100 percent agree that an auto is gonna be faster. However, I still prefer the manual. I logged my zero to 60 the other day and my shift times were 2 tenths of a second from first to second. I feel like i should make a video of this........anyone else with manuals that has gotten better than a 2 tenths shift?

    i also logged back to back 3.8 second 0-60s with just an intake and a tune on 305 wide re11s. What are the auto's running for zero to 60? I would think with sticky tires a stock one should do 3.6.... Only thing holding the stock cars back is the PS2s.

    flame on!!!! hahah...manual all day long! I like the concentration and practice involved in being fast in a manual.

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    Re: Is AT V accelerate faster than MT V?

    Just got back from a joy ride with this tread in mind...I have an A6 coupe heavily modded - temp about 50 degrees. Sport mode with all nannies off.....75mph coast then stomp. Holy shit, this car is so fast to find the exact gear and then bang all subsequent gears that I really have to hang on and stay focused. Step out then hook. IMO when this tranny is tuned correctly, it is pretty amazing and faster than any leg/arm combo. I think the horse is dead.

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    Re: Is AT V accelerate faster than MT V?

    agreed...still doesnt make me want an auto though....only reason i would is if i was planning to build a dedicated drag car. But, i do not have the monetary backing to turn a 60k dollar car into a weekend warrior. lol

    No way can i shift faster than a well tuned auto...but i bet i can get damn close and for me...that is where all the fun is.

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    Re: Is AT V accelerate faster than MT V?

    one thing I miss about manual transmissions (now that I drive an AT vehicle) is being able to cut the engine as i'm pulling into the driveway/parking spot to cut down on the noise as i pull in

    (i'm often out late and like to be curious to my tennant and roomate)
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    Re: Is AT V accelerate faster than MT V?

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    Or maybe you never learned to drive stick?
    surely you must be kidding? maybe you are hung up on a horse and buggy mentality and cant
    comprehend the fact that no matter how bad you want the standard to be king of the hill (think 1950's-90's)
    the auto is now holding that spot and will for the rest of 4 wheel history. i love a stick for the same reasons
    everyone else does, but to win bragging right/races you'll need an auto. (not to be associated with the auto trannys of the 50's-90's)

    facts list:
    1. auto has 3 modes of driving options. (auto/normal, sport, & "MANUAL MODE"- (paddle and slap shift) minus stiff calve muscle)
    2. auto is faster to react and doesnt miss shifts. it's computer controlled, and therefore it's ALWAYS going to be faster than humans can react.
    3. new age tech has arrived,... and the auto is the leader in this realm.

    note: the Nürburgring record breaking run was done in an auto because the auto is more consistent. period.

    and lastly for all you stick huggers, the only thing you truly miss by not having an auto is being in the winners circle. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stillborn

    surely you must be kidding? maybe you are hung up on a horse and buggy mentality and cant
    comprehend the fact that no matter how bad you want the standard to be king of the hill (think 1950's-90's)
    the auto is now holding that spot and will for the rest of 4 wheel history. i love a stick for the same reasons
    everyone else does, but to win bragging right/races you'll need an auto. (not to be associated with the auto trannys of the 50's-90's)

    facts list:
    1. auto has 3 modes of driving options. (auto/normal, sport, & "MANUAL MODE"- (paddle and slap shift) minus stiff calve muscle)
    2. auto is faster to react and doesnt miss shifts. it's computer controlled, and therefore it's ALWAYS going to be faster than humans can react.
    3. new age tech has arrived,... and the auto is the leader in this realm.

    note: the Nürburgring record breaking run was done in an auto because the auto is more consistent. period.

    and lastly for all you stick huggers, the only thing you truly miss by not having an auto is being in the winners circle. lol
    I have a M6, my choice, I agree with the A6 quicker Drag Racing but
    Is the A6 strong enough to run consistently all day on a Road Course?

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    Again some thought. But is that the OP'd question? Who knows...
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    I love how stillborn is so obsessed with his little plastic trophies. If I wanted to be faster, I'd mod more. I just want to drive. You know, not just brain dead right foot, right hand only jive...

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    Re: Is AT V accelerate faster than MT V?

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    I love how stillborn is so obsessed with his little plastic trophies. If I wanted to be faster, I'd mod more. I just want to drive. You know, not just brain dead right foot, right hand only jive...
    some were just born to hand jive. lmao


    as far as the left foot, now it's used to steady/plant you in the seat, instead of throwing your weight differential off in the seat.
    as for shifting, i can shift faster and shorter throws (slap shift) than you can ever dream of. so where is this "experience" i'm missing out on?

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    I guess ignorance is bliss...

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    Re: Is AT V accelerate faster than MT V?

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    I guess ignorance is bliss...
    yes, yours. you have what we in the psychology profession call "cognitive dissonance". (google that)

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    Re: Is AT V accelerate faster than MT V?

    I think this is interesting, since most people say the manual has lower gears it should be quicker, but if you look at the ratios with the transmission ratios thrown in the automatic has the clear advantage:

    Manual Transmission .......... Automatic
    Trans ratio X Rear ratio = overall... Trans ratio X Rear ratio = overall

    1st: 2.66 X 3.73 = 9.9218.......... 1st: 4.03 X 3.23 = 13.0169

    2nd: 1.78 X 3.73 = 6.6394.......... 2nd: 2.36 X 3.23 = 7.6228

    3rd: 1.30 X 3.73 = 4.849.......... 3rd: 1.53 X 3.23 = 4.9419

    4th: 1.00 X 3.73 = 3.73.......... 4th: 1.15 X 3.23 = 3.7145

    The manual transmission car would need a 4.89 rear gear to be equal off the line (assuming good traction).
    I have a 2012 CTS V coupe with 6-speed manual and I love it. Does anyone know if there are gears available for the CTS V rear end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stillborn View Post

    yes, yours. you have what we in the psychology profession call "cognitive dissonance". (google that)
    As someone who drove an automatic V at Monticello before it was available to the public, the ignorance falls back on you...

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