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2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V Performance Mods Discussion, Modified V2 vs. GTR question in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009-2014; Originally Posted by Luna. There's one advantage that the CTS-V has over the GTR though and that's the sweet sound ...
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    Re: Modified V2 vs. GTR question

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna. View Post

    There's one advantage that the CTS-V has over the GTR though and that's the sweet sound of a rumbling V-8...
    Hard to argue with that bro. Nothing beats the sound of an American V8 thundering past you....well, maybe except an Italian V8

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    Re: Modified V2 vs. GTR question

    Two choices

    Choice 1 - Turn off VDC and turn on launch control = risk warranty denial should a failure occur.

    Choice 2 - Run the car with VDC on, launch control = a not so super super car running 12.2 @ 119mph.

    http://blogs.motortrend.com/6356422/...ged/index.html

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    Re: Modified V2 vs. GTR question

    Great write up Gotham. I appreciate your information and first hand account which is ultimately what i was looking for.

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    Re: Modified V2 vs. GTR question

    Quote Originally Posted by CVP33 View Post
    Two choices

    Choice 1 - Turn off VDC and turn on launch control = risk warranty denial should a failure occur.

    Choice 2 - Run the car with VDC on, launch control = a not so super super car running 12.2 @ 119mph.

    http://blogs.motortrend.com/6356422/...ged/index.html
    The blog was from 2008 so not sure of the relevance today as the current launch control on 2010 models has been brought down to a safer level and rips off 3.2 O-60mph runs.

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    Re: Modified V2 vs. GTR question

    Yeah the new launch control is with VDC on R-mode. Doesn't deny you of warranty coverage at all. Basically, you just need your settings switched to R-mode and you floor the brake and gas at the same time. The RPM's rise to 3k and you let off the brake and let the electronics work their magic.

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    Re: Modified V2 vs. GTR question

    Quote Originally Posted by v4meinsandiego View Post
    The blog was from 2008 so not sure of the relevance today as the current launch control on 2010 models has been brought down to a safer level and rips off 3.2 O-60mph runs.
    3.2 was for the original. With the revisions on launch control, those numbers slow down to 3.5-3.8...

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    Re: Modified V2 vs. GTR question

    Quote Originally Posted by v4meinsandiego View Post
    Check the most recent Road and Track Magazine that pits the ZR1, Porsche 911 Turbo, and Nissan GTR. Its faster than all of them and its a current year.

    Again, the joke is on those Owners who felt it was smart to launch the car at 4,000 rpms time and time and time again causing it to fry itself so the factory reduced the launch control to a lower rpm. Do that to any car, ours included, and it will fry the tranny. The GTR tranny is one of the most incredible transmissions ever with the dual clutch so being that its a masterpiece of technology its expensive. I don't blame Nissan for changing the launch control RPM's, had they done that from the factory since day one this wouldn't have been a subject at all.
    So you are trying to tell us a gtr is a better car than a 911 Tubro???? and a ZR1????

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    Re: Modified V2 vs. GTR question

    Quote Originally Posted by v4meinsandiego View Post

    I have about 100-150hp added to my V, check the title of this post. I don't think its as quick as a stock GTR.


    What, huh, ah never mind. You are just speculating. You don't even know how much power your car makes.
    A gtr runs like 118-121 stock MPH. With that power your V should be at 125-127. Driver mod required?

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    Re: Modified V2 vs. GTR question

    Quote Originally Posted by v4meinsandiego View Post
    The blog was from 2008 so not sure of the relevance today as the current launch control on 2010 models has been brought down to a safer level and rips off 3.2 O-60mph runs.
    Who cares about a blog. You know how many fishing stores there are out here on the innerwebz?

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    Re: Modified V2 vs. GTR question

    Quote Originally Posted by v4meinsandiego View Post
    Check the most recent Road and Track Magazine that pits the ZR1, Porsche 911 Turbo, and Nissan GTR. Its faster than all of them and its a current year.
    The article states that the Porsche finished 1st (378.3 points), followed by the ZR1 2nd (376.5 points) and the GT-R finished 3rd (376.3 points).

    ZR1 had a 1/4 mile run of 11.5 @ 128.7 mph
    GT-R had a 1/4 mile run of 11.6 @ 120.4 mph
    911 had a 1/4 mile run of 11.7 @ 121.8 mph

    The Road course had the ZR1 with the fastest lap time and peak speeds of 5mph faster than the next car's.
    ZR1 - 1:20.1
    GT-R - 1:20.9
    Porsche - 1:21.3

    0-60 times were GT-R at 3.3 and ZR1 and Porsche at 3.5.

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    Re: Modified V2 vs. GTR question

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    3.2 was for the original. With the revisions on launch control, those numbers slow down to 3.5-3.8...
    No, it is a 2011 which has the revisions and it runs 0-60 in 3.3 (not 3.2).

    Quote Originally Posted by DrumStix View Post
    So you are trying to tell us a gtr is a better car than a 911 Tubro???? and a ZR1????
    It was car of the year for Automobile Magazine and Road and Track in 2009. A year later the only reason why its not is because of the fact the 911 Turbo which is $150k has a new engine with more horsepower and a PDK tranny. The ZR1 is also new and has a bigger motor at costs $125k. So, I am not saying its a better car, but a valid argument can be had for its price to value quotient. Its called Godzilla for a reason. The GTR is a beast for that price.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrumStix View Post
    What, huh, ah never mind. You are just speculating. You don't even know how much power your car makes.
    A gtr runs like 118-121 stock MPH. With that power your V should be at 125-127. Driver mod required?
    Funny, and probably, but with my mods I haven't dyno'd it. I bet its around high 500's to the rear wheels. With the AWD jump the GTR may still beat my car in the 1/4 mile regardless of trap speed. Its puts down every single horsepower to the ground from the start and while the Caddy may catch up with the big hp I still think it would be close. Stock GTR vs Modified V2.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrumStix View Post
    Who cares about a blog. You know how many fishing stores there are out here on the innerwebz?
    True.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4gear70 View Post
    The article states that the Porsche finished 1st (378.3 points), followed by the ZR1 2nd (376.5 points) and the GT-R finished 3rd (376.3 points).

    ZR1 had a 1/4 mile run of 11.5 @ 128.7 mph
    GT-R had a 1/4 mile run of 11.6 @ 120.4 mph
    911 had a 1/4 mile run of 11.7 @ 121.8 mph

    The Road course had the ZR1 with the fastest lap time and peak speeds of 5mph faster than the next car's.
    ZR1 - 1:20.1
    GT-R - 1:20.9
    Porsche - 1:21.3

    0-60 times were GT-R at 3.3 and ZR1 and Porsche at 3.5.
    My point has been made. Look at the magazine and read the article. The points between the three cars is ridiculous. Its like .1, and .5 respectively between 1st and 3rd place. For the price or not even considering it, the GTR remains a bad ass machine.

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    Re: Modified V2 vs. GTR question

    Quote Originally Posted by v4meinsandiego View Post
    My point has been made. Look at the magazine and read the article. The points between the three cars is ridiculous. Its like .1, and .5 respectively between 1st and 3rd place. For the price or not even considering it, the GTR remains a bad ass machine.
    Your point was "Check the most recent Road and Track Magazine that pits the ZR1, Porsche 911 Turbo, and Nissan GTR. Its faster than all of them and its a current year".

    You brought up Road and Track and you selectively read only what you wanted to hear... that the GTR was the fastest. The article clearly states that the ZR1 was the fastest and quickest to the 1/4 as well as the road course. Both the Porsche (1st) and ZR1(2nd) bested the GTR (3rd) in the article.
    Nobody is saying that the GTR is not a bad ass machine, however it did finish 3rd in the article (which you brought up).

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    Re: Modified V2 vs. GTR question

    Quote Originally Posted by v4meinsandiego View Post
    No, it is a 2011 which has the revisions and it runs 0-60 in 3.3 (not 3.2).
    And where can I find this? I haven't seen that number on the newer machines...

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    Re: Modified V2 vs. GTR question

    Quote Originally Posted by 4gear70 View Post
    The article states that the Porsche finished 1st (378.3 points), followed by the ZR1 2nd (376.5 points) and the GT-R finished 3rd (376.3 points).

    ZR1 had a 1/4 mile run of 11.5 @ 128.7 mph
    GT-R had a 1/4 mile run of 11.6 @ 120.4 mph
    911 had a 1/4 mile run of 11.7 @ 121.8 mph
    I'm a big an of the GTR, so make no mistake about it, but let's not mislead ourselves about that comparing that against the ZR1, which remains, in my mind, about as good as it gets when it comes to bang-for-your-buck performance automobiles.

    Yeah, the GTR is within 0.1 seconds of the ZR1 in the 1/4 mile, but that's only because the ZR1 can't launch nearly as good.

    Just look at the MPH differences in the 1/4 in the quote above--the ZR1 is FLYING past the GTR at the end of the 1/4 mile. I mean, it's almost spooky how much faster the ZR1 really is than the GTR, and the 911, for that matter...

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    Re: Modified V2 vs. GTR question

    Those trap speeds are indicative of possible 10second runs on slicks only.

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