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2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V Performance Mods Discussion, LS9 cam on the way in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009-2014; Originally Posted by DrumStix Good, get your wallet out and make your purchase. EVERYTHING has a set of compromises. Most ...
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    Re: LS9 cam on the way

    Quote Originally Posted by DrumStix View Post
    Good, get your wallet out and make your purchase.
    EVERYTHING has a set of compromises. Most of what they've done on the LS9 cam, to extend your theory, was split the duration wider, causing a lengthened time for cylinder filling and a broader power band. That should more than make up for the torque band changes and the LS9 cam's LSA is much wider so I'm sure it will haul this car around just fine. They also kept the lift reasonable for longevity and to prevent the thing from eating itself in 10,000 miles. So with lower durations and a wider LSA, I am going to have early cylinder filling over a wider range while retaining acceptable mileage and bottom end. There is a lot more I can do with this car than throw a stupid ass big cam in there to kill mileage, drivability, engine vacuum under coast, bottom end, valve springs and so on. But, If I feel like it, I can add 1.85's in an hour and a half to bump the lift to .612.
    So, are you getting a 244/250 cam on a 113 with .620? Remember, most of the cams are made for lighter cars.

    BTW, there is no trouble for me installing this cam. I just don't want to have "too much power," lol.
    Obviously, you took my post personally, which is too bad, as it wasn't meant to be mean-spirited at all.

    I personally like faster ramps, not too much duration, and relatively wide LSA's, but how would you know that?

    I also like lighter valvetrain components so you can run lighter springs, which allows for everything else to last longer, assuming everything else stays the same.

    Anyways, rather than getting into a grudge, I'll just leave it like I did my previous post, best of luck. That is not, nor was it, to imply that you'll need the luck, it's that I only wish you good luck with it. I truly hope you enjoy the changes (and the tune that goes along with the new cam).

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    Re: LS9 cam on the way

    Quote Originally Posted by Karch View Post
    Obviously, you took my post personally, which is too bad, as it wasn't meant to be mean-spirited at all.

    I personally like faster ramps, not too much duration, and relatively wide LSA's, but how would you know that?

    I also like lighter valvetrain components so you can run lighter springs, which allows for everything else to last longer, assuming everything else stays the same.

    Anyways, rather than getting into a grudge, I'll just leave it like I did my previous post, best of luck. That is not, nor was it, to imply that you'll need the luck, it's that I only wish you good luck with it. I truly hope you enjoy the changes (and the tune that goes along with the new cam).
    Why do you quote while I'm still editing?

    I'm not pissed. You showed one side of the coin, I showed the other. It sounds like an LS9 cam may be for you with what you just described. Thanks for the well wishes and I'm sure I'll enjoy it (and the tune).

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    Re: LS9 cam on the way

    Actually, I've heard some very good reports and of some very satisfied customers / users of the LS9 cam in the LSA, so I think that you might be quite happy with it as a 1st choice. I have also heard of it as being mild, but people have a tendency to describe a cam as mild or aggressive as in relationship to what they want. Doesn't matter if you are happy with your choice. HTH

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    Re: LS9 cam on the way

    I am HAPPY with mine.

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    Re: LS9 cam on the way

    Interesting thread...some informative posts...a little communication lag...and some mature step-backs to get back on track!

    This kind of "single person dialogue" is difficult at best...but we are doing pretty well!

    Is there specific detail available for the cam that W4me has just installed in the 650 rwhp build he just completed?

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    Re: LS9 cam on the way

    I personally would like some to see the specs on the LS9 clone I have and the new one that was used in the 650 rwhp build. Jesse told me about a cam he started using with good results. Not sure if Andrewperez (653rwhp) has the one that Jesse mentioned to me.

    I personally do not want any more cabin shake than what is already present. After all, it is a cadillac.

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    Re: LS9 cam on the way

    I'd like to keep it Cadi smooth too guys, and it should not be difficult to do yet build decent power.

    GMPartsdirect is out of the LS9 cam indefinitely. I just ordered through Lingenfelter.

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    Re: LS9 cam on the way

    The "LS9 clone" Comp Cam (Jesse calls it his "mild" cam) is .554"/.546" @1.7 ratio, 208/230 @ .050" and 121 LSA. Ramp speeds are slightly more aggresive than OEM.

    I love this cam. Just a bit more cabin quiver at idle, but still very Caddy-like. Plus, you can just hear it in the exhaust at idle with the AR headers and stock mufflers and it doesn't kill the gas mileage. Personally, I think going any bigger is overkill as I'm at 620 RWHP detuned. Jesse's tune is spot on - he has THE combination nailed.

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    Re: LS9 cam on the way

    My cam is Jesse's 600" lift design. I agreed to keep the rest of the profile info at his discretion. It's basically up to him if he wants that revealed.

    My car obviously makes more of a statement at idle, but its not overly aggressive or "stock car" like in any sense.

    If there is anything that people comment on about my Caddy is that it's a bit loud......but my comment is what do you expect from 650+ rw. Besides, it's my car, it was my decision....and I LOVE IT

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    Re: LS9 cam on the way

    Quote Originally Posted by andrewperez View Post
    My cam is Jesse's 600" lift design. I agreed to keep the rest of the profile info at his discretion. It's basically up to him if he wants that revealed.

    My car obviously makes more of a statement at idle, but its not overly aggressive or "stock car" like in any sense.

    If there is anything that people comment on about my Caddy is that it's a bit loud......but my comment is what do you expect from 650+ rw. Besides, it's my car, it was my decision....and I LOVE IT


    What nerve,
    what arrogance,
    what audacity,

    I salute you!

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    Re: LS9 cam on the way

    Quote Originally Posted by demorgan59 View Post
    The "LS9 clone" Comp Cam (Jesse calls it his "mild" cam) is .554"/.546" @1.7 ratio, 208/230 @ .050" and 121 LSA. Ramp speeds are slightly more aggresive than OEM.

    I love this cam. Just a bit more cabin quiver at idle, but still very Caddy-like. Plus, you can just hear it in the exhaust at idle with the AR headers and stock mufflers and it doesn't kill the gas mileage. Personally, I think going any bigger is overkill as I'm at 620 RWHP detuned. Jesse's tune is spot on - he has THE combination nailed.
    They stopped selling the LS9 clone and are selling the true LS9 cam in its' stead due to it's decreased price via higher volume. 211/230.

    What are all of your mods, if you don't mind me asking?

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    Re: LS9 cam on the way

    Quote Originally Posted by andrewperez View Post
    My cam is Jesse's 600" lift design. I agreed to keep the rest of the profile info at his discretion. It's basically up to him if he wants that revealed.

    My car obviously makes more of a statement at idle, but its not overly aggressive or "stock car" like in any sense.

    If there is anything that people comment on about my Caddy is that it's a bit loud......but my comment is what do you expect from 650+ rw. Besides, it's my car, it was my decision....and I LOVE IT
    In my experience there is really no value in keeping cam specs secret these days. Not good marketing at all and it has been proven to work against vendors, unless they plan on only installing 1-2 in customers car who are running the TX mile or something. I don't like hype, I like facts. Call me a republican then I guess.

    Sounds like you have a great combo there. Like I said, I personally am not going to over stress the valve train as I don't see a need for it. Not saying you are either but it's something for all to consider. With these small torque converters and lower TCM shift points, a big cam is not in the cards for me.

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    Re: LS9 cam on the way

    W4M Intake with modded stock airbox and K&N, heat exchanger & 160 Tstat, ported TB, snout, blower and heads, larger injectors, AR headers with stock mufflers, aforementioned cam, 9 1/2" pulley and tune.

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    Re: LS9 cam on the way

    DrumStix, if you dyno your beast when you're done, why not do it in FV again? Would love to just stand next to it and enjoy the sounds of your hard work and dollars

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    Re: LS9 cam on the way

    Quote Originally Posted by demorgan59 View Post
    W4M Intake with modded stock airbox and K&N, heat exchanger & 160 Tstat, ported TB, snout, blower and heads, larger injectors, AR headers with stock mufflers, aforementioned cam, 9 1/2" pulley and tune.
    Everything the vwhip needs!

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