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2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V Performance Mods Discussion, Stick or Auto in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009-2014; I would like to see the stick vs manual on the 1/4 mile. As soon as we get some more ...
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    Re: Stick or Auto

    I would like to see the stick vs manual on the 1/4 mile. As soon as we get some more delivered, lets get those time slips posted.

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    Re: Stick or Auto

    My money is on the auto.

    But objective performance figures and subjective fun factor are two different things. The manual is probably more rewarding to drive.

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    Re: Stick or Auto

    We're getting both. Wife's getting the auto in crystal red. Im getting the Manual in thunder gray.

    There's no foot brake in the manual, it's button operated hill assist. Don't any of you read motor trend? it's funny watching you guys go around in circles. Im waiting for someone else to ask when AWD is coming out. Again.

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    Re: Stick or Auto

    Quote Originally Posted by Caddyscat View Post
    We're getting both. Wife's getting the auto in crystal red. Im getting the Manual in thunder gray.

    There's no foot brake in the manual, it's button operated hill assist. Don't any of you read motor trend? it's funny watching you guys go around in circles. Im waiting for someone else to ask when AWD is coming out. Again.
    Well, someone has money and the ego to match.

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    Re: Stick or Auto

    Quote Originally Posted by caddynoob View Post
    My money is on the auto.

    But objective performance figures and subjective fun factor are two different things. The manual is probably more rewarding to drive.
    Wow...I'm definitely missing something if the auto takes the manual in the 1/4 mile.

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    Re: Stick or Auto

    Quote Originally Posted by Caddyscat View Post
    We're getting both. Wife's getting the auto in crystal red. Im getting the Manual in thunder gray.

    There's no foot brake in the manual, it's button operated hill assist. Don't any of you read motor trend? it's funny watching you guys go around in circles. Im waiting for someone else to ask when AWD is coming out. Again.


    Hard to read anything when we're busy going around in circles.

    Might want to rethink the color choice: Tony tells me that there's an Arrogant Puce coming mid-year.

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    Re: Stick or Auto

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna. View Post
    Wow...I'm definitely missing something if the auto takes the manual in the 1/4 mile.
    The Auto has slight advantage on overall gear ratio in the first 3 gears. Car and Driver also got better numbers from the Auto.

    It is actually not all that uncommon. I think 977 Turbo auto (non PDK version) and even tunedToyota Supra with 4spd auto are also examples where the auto is as fast or faster than stick shift.

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    Re: Stick or Auto

    Quote Originally Posted by caddynoob View Post
    The Auto has slight advantage on overall gear ratio in the first 3 gears. Car and Driver also got better numbers from the Auto.

    It is actually not all that uncommon. I think 977 Turbo auto (non PDK version) and even tunedToyota Supra with 4spd auto are also examples where the auto is as fast or faster than stick shift.
    The slight gearing advantage, which admittedly I haven't calculated, as manuals often have gearing advantages over their auto counterparts, has to overcome weight and the fact that auto transmissions aren't direct drive. Wow...these kinds of exceptions just blow my mind...

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    Re: Stick or Auto

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna. View Post
    The slight gearing advantage, which admittedly I haven't calculated, as manuals often have gearing advantages over their auto counterparts, has to overcome weight and the fact that auto transmissions aren't direct drive. Wow...these kinds of exceptions just blow my mind...
    Many automatic transmission also lock up in all gears except first. IS-F and AMG models comes to mind. I believe this is also the case for the 09 CTS-V. In first gear, traction is the issue rather than power.

    Keep in mind that we are only talking about upshifts here. On the track, it is a different story. Incidentally, the CTS-V does pretty well on the track with its automatic transmission as well.

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    Re: Stick or Auto

    Quote Originally Posted by caddynoob View Post
    Many automatic transmission also lock up in all gears except first. IS-F and AMG models comes to mind. I believe this is also the case for the 09 CTS-V. In first gear, traction is the issue rather than power.
    Thanks--I didn't know they locked up in all gears but first. I'm old school, as I thought they didn't lock up until, say, 4th gear or so.

    The biggest issue for me is the weight though. Is it something like 100 lbs more? I thought I read that somewhere, but I could be way off. In any case, if it's about that, good lord---that's a lot of additional weight to push down the road, especially when the manual doesn't have that weight disadvantage.

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    Re: Stick or Auto

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna. View Post
    Thanks--I didn't know they locked up in all gears but first. I'm old school, as I thought they didn't lock up until, say, 4th gear or so.

    The biggest issue for me is the weight though. Is it something like 100 lbs more? I thought I read that somewhere, but I could be way off. In any case, if it's about that, good lord---that's a lot of additional weight to push down the road, especially when the manual doesn't have that weight disadvantage.
    100lb is a less than 2.5% increase compared to the manual (4200lb vs 4300lb). I wouldn't worry too much about the weight increase. The weight added by the sunroof is a different story. I think it's also close to 88lb, but that will probably change the center of gravity quite a bit.

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    Re: Stick or Auto

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna. View Post
    Thanks--I didn't know they locked up in all gears but first. I'm old school, as I thought they didn't lock up until, say, 4th gear or so.
    Torque-converter lockup isn't exactly a performance feature...

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    Re: Stick or Auto

    Stick is the way to go, I've driven in traffic with uphills and everything sure it's a bit of a PITA but you get the real pleasure when you're crusing freely and shifting thru the gears. No paddle shift automatic would give the same feeling as a car with a clutch and a gearbox

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    Re: Stick or Auto

    This is one instance where when having the fastest sedan with the most power, I want the fastest version available. So if that's the automatic, that's what I want...

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    Re: Stick or Auto

    Quote Originally Posted by caddynoob View Post
    The Auto has slight advantage on overall gear ratio in the first 3 gears. Car and Driver also got better numbers from the Auto.

    It is actually not all that uncommon. I think 977 Turbo auto (non PDK version) and even tunedToyota Supra with 4spd auto are also examples where the auto is as fast or faster than stick shift.
    Most C5 and C6 Corvette owners I've spoken too also say that auto 'Vettes put down quicker times than their manual counterparts as well.

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