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2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V Performance Mods Discussion, velvety in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009-2014; Originally Posted by Jpjr Unfortunately GM and Chrysler shortcut performance by sticking large displacement engines in small cars because they ...
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    Re: Here's how this works-tell me if 09 V any different

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpjr View Post
    Unfortunately GM and Chrysler shortcut performance by sticking large displacement engines in small cars because they are...cheaper. That is the real reason, it certainly is not because they are better. Heavier motors in turn require a heavier chassis and drivetrain, which turns many muscle cars into fast pigs.
    Again, you show your lack of knowledge here. You think because a motor has larger displacement, it's larger and heavier? I suppose GM was just lazy for not putting the Northstar in the CTS-V. No, it was because the LS6 was smaller and lighter. You can't fit the Northstar into a CTS. Care to check the weight of a 5.7 liter LS6 to a 3.0 liter V6 Yamaha motor in the SHO?

    Again, another benefit of the incredibly efficient LS motor is its tidy packaging and light weight.

    Now what?
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    Re: Here's how this works-tell me if 09 V any different

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpjr View Post
    Was anyone else around when GM came out with the LT5, its greatest motor ever?

    http://www.zr1netregistry.com/ZR1_about.htm
    I LOVE the ZR-1 and I LOVE the LT5. But the LS6 is just as good and just as impressive. Nevermind the LS7's power to displacement ratio...
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    Re: Here's how this works-tell me if 09 V any different

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpjr View Post
    BMW is now building better motors accross the board because they can price thier cars and move enough volume to cover the R&D.
    I've driven an E39 M5 and my CTS-V. Statistically very similar vehicles. But when it comes to real world driving on the road and road course, your "better" engine fails to beat out the lesser one. JEM, a fellow SHO owner and E39 M5 owner swapped rides with me in California back in '04. There's good reason his car was $30k more than mine. Being faster was not one of them...


    Your arguments are based on feelings. Mine are subjective. Again, I'm a big fan of both engine types. In fact, at one time, in the top of my SHO days, I was a DOHC snob. But I've seen the brilliance of the LS motor. Don't judge me as a pushrod snob because me shooting down your arguments are like shooting fish in a barrel...
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    Re: So it's fun to drive, in case your wondering

    The Chevy small block has won more race's than any other motor in the world and it's design is 53 years old. And that's the truth.
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    Re: So it's fun to drive, in case your wondering

    Not to split hairs... but the original small block went into production around 1954 and was replaced by a "white sheet" Gen III small block in 1997 and on through a few more years as the design spread to similar models.
    The Gen I and II engines could not adapt to modern fuel controls and emissions standards so they started over.
    The Gen IV engine is in production now, the only diff between III and IV is Active Fuel Management hardware cast into the block.
    Even though this design is only 11 years old now it carries on a great legacy of GM small block design.

    The rest of this is looking a lot like the babbling that got another topic locked not too long ago.... hmmm....
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    Re: So it's fun to drive, in case your wondering

    Guys I want to be clear about something:

    My argument was that OHC engines in general are an evolutionary improvement over pushrod engines. I apologize for wording that implied this meant one car/carmaker was better than another. The Corvette (and V) smoke many comparable cars and are significantly less expensive because of pushrod motors that are excellent quality and super high performance. If I didn't think the motor/performance got it done I would not be buying the new V.
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    Re: So it's fun to drive, in case your wondering

    I'm putting my LS6 into a smart car next week.
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    Re: So it's fun to drive, in case your wondering

    Bring it by, I want to see that!
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    Re: So it's fun to drive, in case your wondering

    Quote Originally Posted by CTSV_510 View Post
    I'm putting my LS6 into a smart car next week.
    Isn't that called a Boss Hoss when you have to sit on top of the V8 due to spacial restrictions?
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    Re: So it's fun to drive, in case your wondering

    It is a common misconception that OHC engines are somehow more advanced than OHV. OHV engines of the same displacement or HP as an OHC typically make a lot more power under the total curve, and supply torque over a much broader RPM range. OHC engines today have active fuel management, cam phasing, roller rockers and technology in every way equal to or better than OHC engines.

    Some people are thrown off by the intentionally lumpy idle of certain OHV engines to reinforce to concept that they are somehow low tech. You need not have a lumpy cam to have a high performance OHV engine, it's just fun ;-)
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    Re: So it's fun to drive, in case your wondering

    Quote Originally Posted by urbanski View Post
    exteriors not very similar at all
    look pretty damn similar to me

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    Re: So it's fun to drive, in case your wondering

    nope lots of changes
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    Re: So it's fun to drive, in case your wondering

    But the question is how soon will the chrome pillars be available?
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    Re: So it's fun to drive, in case your wondering

    Already too much damned chrome on the car.

    LawFive's 2010:

    Black (Raven or Ice, TBD)
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    Powdercoat stupid side hole inserts
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    Powdercoat stupid chrome strip on ass (the car's, not mine)
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    Re: So it's fun to drive, in case your wondering

    For the Bimmer, I paid extra for no chrome (like it really costs more for less expensive parts ) and am with the Law.

    So it shall be written, so it shall be done.

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