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2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V Performance Mods Discussion, 2009 Price vs. M3\C63??? in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009-2014; Originally Posted by NormV I instruct performance driving for a handful of clubs and have owned European cars in the ...
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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

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    I instruct performance driving for a handful of clubs and have owned European cars in the past. We don't get any type of Cadillac owners on the except for the occasional CTS-V. So I have many hours over the 15 years in all types of cars. From awd, rwd, to quasi race cars so I have a good feeling about different chasis types and how the manf tuned them. Except for brakes, which are not used in a proper conservative matter, is usually the weakest link after the driver.

    The newly found hp sedans are just amazing and usually way over their drivers ability that is why they are at these schools, not only for fun. I sure hope GM offers a driving academy for it's V2 owners as some us could have used one with V1.

    The most performance enthusiasts are the German makes.

    I can't keep up from my phone browser all day.

    Watch your step next time you make fun of the other ant hill. Might be more going than meets the eye.

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    Ok, I am also a Porsche enthusiast, My last was a Dave White Racing prepped 993 Cab.. I too was an instructor on track days for the local POC.
    So I have spent plenty of time on the other ant hill... but i fail to see how this makes a hill of beans or mountains out of ant hills if you must.

    There were no Cadillacs worthy of a track day before the CTS-V... ever, so it is not surprising that you don't see many Cadillacs at track days... doh.

    But I am sure you have seen plenty of Corvettes, Vipers, and Mustangs as well as Ferraris, Lambos, and a horde of Mini Coopers..... but I tell you what I don't see too many of.. in fact can't remember ever seeing a MB out there. Hell, I was just at a Homestead track day 3 weeks ago and i even saw a Jeep Cherokee SRT out there, but not one MB or M5 either for that matter.

    So what's your point?


    For shits and grins, my 993...


    And my Viper sitting next to the 993... See, I have no bias, i just like to go fast.

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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    I thought you were pretty deep into your any hill. . Just got to come out and see the light ever so often.

    Norm


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    ^I have no idea what this supposed to mean.

    Not only do I make a living selling Cadillacs, but I personally love them as well (there's two of 'em sitting in my garage). Whether I'm on a Cadillac forum or not, if I see someone posting out of context comparisons or misinformation about my product than I'm going to call them on it, plain and simple. I know I'll never change your mind, but I hope some level headed people considering an Import might read through this thread and perhaps have their mind changed about the perceived superiority of the German marques over Cadillac.

    HitMoney is right that I was making a good living with Cadillac long before I discovered CF, and I was a member here long before I became an advertiser. This forum is a place where I share useful tech tips and info with current owners and occasionally pick up an extra sale, not my main source of income. Hit, I'm looking forward to getting together again when your new V arrives, and hopefully we can have a few more beers than we had time for at the Ft. Lauderdale meet.

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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    Wait.......what?

    I think you're trying to say that since I own and sell Cadillacs I'm biased, right? Sure, I'll give you that- it doesn't make me any less knowledgeable though, nor does it change any of the facts I've posted about the Benzes.

    For the record: They're a fine car. Many of them are fast, and a few are pretty good looking- I still think they're horribly overpriced, and they should be ashamed to charge extra for features like iPod connections and Navigation on a $90,000 car. Hopefully some people who might get hooked in by their low "Base" prices will read through the facts I've posted here and learn a little about how overpriced they are for what you really get.
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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    Quote Originally Posted by Cadillac Tony View Post
    Wait.......what?

    I think you're trying to say that since I own and sell Cadillacs I'm biased, right? Sure, I'll give you that- it doesn't make me any less knowledgeable though, nor does it change any of the facts I've posted about the Benzes.

    For the record: They're a fine car. Many of them are fast, and a few are pretty good looking- I still think they're horribly overpriced, and they should be ashamed to charge extra for features like iPod connections and Navigation on a $90,000 car. Hopefully some people who might get hooked in by their low "Base" prices will read through the facts I've posted here and learn a little about how overpriced they are for what you really get.
    I wouldn't be too offended Tony of being accused of being Cadillac biased, there are much worse things...

    Imagine how hard these guys have it...
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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???



    I remember a while back there was a link to a Prius forum with a "kill" section- Now that's comedy gold.
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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    And $80,000+ is reasonable for an sts-v?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadillac Tony View Post
    Wait.......what?

    I think you're trying to say that since I own and sell Cadillacs I'm biased, right? Sure, I'll give you that- it doesn't make me any less knowledgeable though, nor does it change any of the facts I've posted about the Benzes.

    For the record: They're a fine car. Many of them are fast, and a few are pretty good looking- I still think they're horribly overpriced, and they should be ashamed to charge extra for features like iPod connections and Navigation on a $90,000 car. Hopefully some people who might get hooked in by their low "Base" prices will read through the facts I've posted here and learn a little about how overpriced they are for what you really get.

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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

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    And $80,000+ is reasonable for an sts-v?


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    Getting you to stay on one point is akin to getting a 13 year old with ADD who just pounded a Red Bull to sit down and read Moby Dick.. the hard cover edition while the baby sitter is vacuuming in a mini-skirt.


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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    Sts-v is closer to the E63 than V2 is. Different part of the forum though.

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    Getting you to stay on one point is akin to getting a 13 year old with ADD who just pounded a Red Bull to sit down and read Moby Dick.. the hard cover edition while the baby sitter is vacuuming in a mini-skirt.


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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    Quote Originally Posted by NormV View Post
    And $80,000+ is reasonable for an sts-v?


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    Quote Originally Posted by NormV View Post
    Sts-v is closer to the E63 than V2 is. Different part of the forum though.

    Norm
    Just for the record, I don't think $80G for an STS-V and $100G for an XLR-V is reasonable. But that means absolutely NOTHING in this argument. So, stick to point...if you can.

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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    I agree. But there is more similarities than differences. Tony brought it up!

    Wait until we start disecting the other part of this thread, the M3.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    Just for the record, I don't think $80G for an STS-V and $100G for an XLR-V is reasonable. But that means absolutely NOTHING in this argument. So, stick to point...if you can.

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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    Quote Originally Posted by Cadillac Tony View Post


    I remember a while back there was a link to a Prius forum with a "kill" section- Now that's comedy gold.
    Funny stuff Tony.

    What would be even funnier would be to see a CTS-V in the Prius "kill" thread...

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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    How old is Norm? Are there any missing Nazi guards thought to be living in Ohio?

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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    Quote Originally Posted by NormV View Post
    I agree. But there is more similarities than differences. Tony brought it up!

    Norm

    I did? Funny, because I thought I said the E63 is a more valid comparison to the CTS-V than the C63, but maybe my memory's fading faster than my hair.

    The STS-V is larger in practically every measurable way than the E63, and is also a much softer tuned car- in my opinion they aren't competitors. Good try, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HITMONEY View Post
    Getting you to stay on one point is akin to getting a 13 year old with ADD who just pounded a Red Bull to sit down and read Moby Dick.. the hard cover edition while the baby sitter is vacuuming in a mini-skirt.



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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    Quote Originally Posted by NormV View Post
    And $80,000+ is reasonable for an sts-v?


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    It's not a Mercedes or BMUU. It's 80K (2008) fully loaded with the 5.1 stereo, disk changers, bluetooth, ext audio/video input, lane departure warning, HUD, blind spot warning, brembo brakes,suspension, and all the other goodies.

    Now whether one considers that too much, ehh that's an individual's choice. But at least Cadillac is giving you the whole ball of wax on the price of their V car. Not selling you a "S" and letting you add stuff to get it to a "V"

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