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2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V Performance Mods Discussion, 2009 Price vs. M3\C63??? in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009-2014; Originally Posted by NormV Thank you! That was I was looking for and hope it clears some things up for ...
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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    Quote Originally Posted by NormV View Post
    Thank you! That was I was looking for and hope it clears some things up for those shopping. I am sure there is stuff that C63 has that V2 does not that you did not list.
    Nope- that's the option list verbatim, I didn't edit anything out.
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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    holy ****

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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    Wow!!!! Tony, you really have given me the big picture of a Cadillac owner demographics/salesmen.

    I already mentioned the C-class was smaller. I think the new cts is about the same roominess from the driver's seat with more clearance to the roof from your head and that is without sunroof on autoshow floor.

    Again, what numbers were you comparing above? What models?
    Again your talking like a salesmen with a mouth full of samples, unless your frothing at the mouth.

    So the V2 will do everything better than the MB and MB will do nothing better than the V2?

    Give us the facts not your opinion is red, subjectively as I would not use either 6-disk changer, nor iPod/MP3(no, cassette or 8-track either).


    AMG never had optional body work available, ever. Lorinser is not MB, nor is Brabuss!


    Reuter's quoting a Consumer Reports report, but you don't have a date. When was this? 1980's?

    Norm

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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???



    Ya know, you may be more comfortable HERE.

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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    Again, what numbers were you comparing above? What models?
    Again your talking like a salesmen with a mouth full of samples, unless your frothing at the mouth.
    A 2008 CTS and a 2008 C300. The AMG or V packages have no effect on hip room or trunk dimensions. I'll disregard the typical jab about Salesman, although I wonder if there's any other people or professions you're this stereotypical and rude to?

    So the V2 will do everything better than the MB and MB will do nothing better than the V2?
    I never said that, I'm just providing a counterpoint to all the MB slobbering from some of you. Their pricing is ridiculous (no LSD on an AMG is a joke at that price), and I'm putting some facts out there for those who think MB walks on water. People love to compare "base" prices, but if you take two equally equipped cars OF THE SAME SIZE then there's no comparison between the two. Example:

    2008 E63 AMG
    Base MSRP $86,125

    P1: Premium I
    $1,710
    Active Ventilated Front Seats
    DVD COMAND Navigation
    Power Rear-Window Sunshade

    P2: Premium II
    $3,620
    Includes all the items from P1 Package plus:
    Headlamp Washing System
    Bi-Xenon Active Light System
    Cornering Fog Lamps
    Keyless Go

    P30 AMG Performance Package
    $8,500
    Top track speed to 186 mph (Electronically limited. Obey speed laws.)
    Staggered-width 18-inch two-piece AMG 5-spoke wheels
    AMG track-calibrated Airmatic suspension system
    Limited-slip differential
    (*Tony's note: Are you kidding me!? $8,500 for sport suspension, LSD, raised speed limiter and rims on a $90,000 car?*)

    Options

    Distronic Adaptive Cruise Control Feature Spotlight $2,200
    Electronic Trunk Closer $530
    Panorama Sunroof $1,010
    iPod Integration Kit $425
    Parktronic Feature Spotlight $1,120
    Voice Control Feature Spotlight $510
    Rear Side-Window Blinds $350

    Leaving off the items Cadillac doesn't offer (like Distronic cruise and electronic trunk closer), I come up with a price of $101,900 for a "not quite fully loaded" E63. Yikes. I'd love to configure one On-Line so I could be exact, but MB's web site won't let you build your own AMG and tells you to contact a dealer- I wonder why?

    Quote Originally Posted by NormV
    Give us the facts not your opinion is red, subjectively as I would not use either 6-disk changer, nor iPod/MP3(no, cassette or 8-track either).
    A CTS-V has a 40gb HDD with radio buffering and iPod hookups, while a C63 doesn't. How is that my opinion?

    Quote Originally Posted by NormV
    Reuter's quoting a Consumer Reports report, but you don't have a date. When was this? 1980's?

    Norm
    Two months ago, actually.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/press...08+PRN20080108
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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    Who the hell would pay 60k for a C class anyway?

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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    Quote Originally Posted by parexa View Post
    Who the hell would pay 60k for a C class anyway?



    I could have saved a lot of time by just typing that.
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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    Tony keeps bringing up stat after stat that backs up all his "facts". Norm just comes with his boner for anything German.

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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    I was hoping you'd volunteer this information on the C63 but as a salesmen will hold info just to make your point and even bait and switch which doesn't work well in a thread.

    Besides a base C is cheaper than the base caddy by $2K. And a whole lot lighter.

    What if someone wants to listen to their classic CDs like more than one in their Caddy. Tough luck?


    You know what 1.4 cubic foot looks like in a car trunk? That is why I mentioned the cars are closer than you'll allow some to believe. We just need the facts and we'll go from there.

    You did not even give all info on every dimension the first time. Hiding something?

    MB does not use LSD on any of their AMG until recently. They really don't need it in most circumstances.

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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    Quote Originally Posted by NormV View Post
    AMG never had optional body work available, ever. Lorinser is not MB, nor is Brabuss!



    Every real current AMG has the optional AMG performance package for an additional cost. The more the AMG costs, the more the AMG package costs.

    The cheapest SLK 55 - base model 64K ,

    For an additional 6,840 the P30 AMG Performance Package-
    AMG Alcantara and leather trimmed sport steering wheel
    · Aluminum shift paddles
    · Carbon fiber interior trim
    · Top track speed of 174 mph (Electronically limited. Obey speed laws.)
    · AMG track-calibrated suspension system
    · AMG compound braking system
    · Staggered-width 18-inch AMG twin-spoke multipiece alloy wheels

    For another 1,010 you get the lighting package-
    Bi-Xenon Headlamps
    · Corner-Illuminating Foglamps
    · Heated Headlamp Washers

    So for a total (so far) of 71,850 you get an AMG, of course that's without DVD Nav, a premium stereo (no 6 disk changer there, that's even more), bluetooth, IPod, etc, etc

    Call me crazy, but when I buy a car called an AMG, I expect it to have the AMG performance package included with the badging.

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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    Quote Originally Posted by NormV View Post
    I was hoping you'd volunteer this information on the C63 but as a salesmen will hold info just to make your point and even bait and switch which doesn't work well in a thread.

    Besides a base C is cheaper than the base caddy by $2K. And a whole lot lighter.
    OK, and it's a ton smaller. Smaller than a Civic. Again, it's positioned between the C and E class. And while it's close to the C, it demolishes the E. So shove it.

    Funny how this entire V2 forum turns to shit because of the douchiness of 1 or 2 posters. I just want to personally thank you for making this the most pessimistic board on the V2 anywhere on the internet. Absolutely disgusting.

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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    I had to ask for stats, multiple times and even then they are not complete.

    No stats on the E63 interior as they'd probably match or better V2. He brought it up!

    He is glossing over how competitive the C63 is to V2 and on price it will be $10,000-$15,000 cheaper than V2.

    Notice how he is just pricing it to the E63 to the gills

    Norm

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    Tony keeps bringing up stat after stat that backs up all his "facts". Norm just comes with his boner for anything German.

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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    Quote Originally Posted by NormV View Post

    He is glossing over how competitive the C63 is to V2 and on price it will be $10,000-$15,000 cheaper than V2.
    How the f*ck do you know? Really? You're more full of shit than Tony could ever dream to be...

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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    time to vote somebody off the island?

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    Re: 2009 Price vs. M3\C63???

    Tony priced the E to the gills as if there is no premium on exclusivity that MB owners prefer.

    Thanks!! So Tony is wrong is saying body work is an option.

    Maybe one reason MB offers something for their cars as Caddy buyers surely do not. The P30 package adds to the value of the car as not many are made.
    Unlike GM who says you can have any color as long as it's black. Oh, maybe a roof option. Nice performance option and weight savings.

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    Every real current AMG has the optional AMG performance package for an additional cost. The more the AMG costs, the more the AMG package costs.

    The cheapest SLK 55 - base model 64K ,

    For an additional 6,840 the P30 AMG Performance Package-
    AMG Alcantara and leather trimmed sport steering wheel
    · Aluminum shift paddles
    · Carbon fiber interior trim
    · Top track speed of 174 mph (Electronically limited. Obey speed laws.)
    · AMG track-calibrated suspension system
    · AMG compound braking system
    · Staggered-width 18-inch AMG twin-spoke multipiece alloy wheels

    For another 1,010 you get the lighting package-
    Bi-Xenon Headlamps
    · Corner-Illuminating Foglamps
    · Heated Headlamp Washers

    So for a total (so far) of 71,850 you get an AMG, of course that's without DVD Nav, a premium stereo (no 6 disk changer there, that's even more), bluetooth, IPod, etc, etc

    Call me crazy, but when I buy a car called an AMG, I expect it to have the AMG performance package included with the badging.

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