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    M/T COTY Base CTS Test Data - Interesting

    Did anyone read the Motor Trend Car of the Year test data? Very interesting what the base CTS is able to do. It posted .89g's in the skidpad, 26.40 figure 8 time, which matched the Audi TT and beat the WRX! The .89g's really impressed me with only 235/50/18's. Imagine what more width and less sidewall will do for this. I know this isn't the same, but this IS pretty telling of what the new V may be capable of doing.

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    Re: M/T COTY Base CTS Test Data - Interesting

    It's like taking a pretty girl, and jabbing her with Clemens' boy's special cocktail.....

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    Re: M/T COTY Base CTS Test Data - Interesting

    Quote Originally Posted by CVP33 View Post
    Did anyone read the Motor Trend Car of the Year test data? Very interesting what the base CTS is able to do. It posted .89g's in the skidpad, 26.40 figure 8 time, which matched the Audi TT and beat the WRX! The .89g's really impressed me with only 235/50/18's. Imagine what more width and less sidewall will do for this. I know this isn't the same, but this IS pretty telling of what the new V may be capable of doing.
    But do you think the extra weight the V will carry will temper the increases you might expect?

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    Re: M/T COTY Base CTS Test Data - Interesting

    Quote Originally Posted by Katshot View Post
    But do you think the extra weight the V will carry will temper the increases you might expect?
    The extra weight is going to be heavily offset by 250hp, 10% stiffer suspension, MRC shocks, michelin PS2 rubber, and two much nicer transmissions. Not to mention seats that actually hold you in place during that side loading allowing you to concentrate on the test time maxing more. It will make all those numbers look silly and like childs play basically.

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    Re: M/T COTY Base CTS Test Data - Interesting

    Not to mention the HUGE brake rotors and multipiston Brembo squeezers. I figure it will be .95g or so and probably run that same figure 8 in 24 or more than likely less. Definately under the near 25 of the A6.

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    Re: M/T COTY Base CTS Test Data - Interesting

    Quote Originally Posted by jasaero View Post
    The extra weight is going to be heavily offset by 250hp, 10% stiffer suspension, MRC shocks, michelin PS2 rubber, and two much nicer transmissions. Not to mention seats that actually hold you in place during that side loading allowing you to concentrate on the test time maxing more. It will make all those numbers look silly and like childs play basically.
    I was mainly talking about the skidpad numbers. I'm well aware the V will be far superior to the base car in all aspects but weight can play a very important part that all the brakes, and power, and tires, and........will not offset.

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    Re: M/T COTY Base CTS Test Data - Interesting

    Quote Originally Posted by Katshot View Post
    I was mainly talking about the skidpad numbers. I'm well aware the V will be far superior to the base car in all aspects but weight can play a very important part that all the brakes, and power, and tires, and........will not offset.
    Hmm larger, stickier tires are certainly able to offset weight on a skidpad. That would literally be their function, in fact.

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    Re: M/T COTY Base CTS Test Data - Interesting

    Skid pad numbers are static. Throw in left and rights like a slalom or a figure eight. Look at BMW skid pad then compare them to transision like a slalom wher they really excel in suspension tuning.


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    Re: M/T COTY Base CTS Test Data - Interesting

    255 and 285 PS2s with magneato shocks and typically stiffer everything is going to more than push the envelope that much further.

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    Re: M/T COTY Base CTS Test Data - Interesting

    Sdd a couple hundred pounds above center of gravity...we'll see as the Gen 1 V was slightly better the Gen 2 base. The v2 will not be the autocross winner in Super Stock. There is no way that that 4200 lbs will be competive in the tight stuff.

    The magnetic stuff works wonders on a bumpy track as I have seen in the C5 but it weighs similar to the Z06 with the Z winning. The V2 weighs 400 lbs more than V1. Can't over come physics.


    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    255 and 285 PS2s with magneato shocks and typically stiffer everything is going to more than push the envelope that much further.

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    Re: M/T COTY Base CTS Test Data - Interesting

    Quote Originally Posted by NormV View Post
    Sdd a couple hundred pounds above center of gravity...we'll see as the Gen 1 V was slightly better the Gen 2 base. The v2 will not be the autocross winner in Super Stock. There is no way that that 4200 lbs will be competive in the tight stuff.

    The magnetic stuff works wonders on a bumpy track as I have seen in the C5 but it weighs similar to the Z06 with the Z winning. The V2 weighs 400 lbs more than V1. Can't over come physics.
    You most certainly can. The SRTs are actually very competent handlers at 4200lbs. The new V should be that much better.

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    Re: M/T COTY Base CTS Test Data - Interesting

    Slower than the V1 in motor Trend figure eight. Add. A hundred pounds to the top of the engine and we'll see.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    You most certainly can. The SRTs are actually very competent handlers at 4200lbs. The new V should be that much better.

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    Re: M/T COTY Base CTS Test Data - Interesting

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    You most certainly can. The SRTs are actually very competent handlers at 4200lbs. The new V should be that much better.
    BINGO! My SRT would SHOCK someone who didn't know..it handles better than you'd ever believe for a car that size. I expect the new V to be even better..maybe substantially.

    I did test drive the EDI 3.6 CTS--it was as good as advertised in the twisties. My salesman knew thats what I wanted to do, so thats where he took me with the car, and he encouraged me to "push it" which, being the friendly sort....I obliged.

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    Re: M/T COTY Base CTS Test Data - Interesting

    Quote Originally Posted by NormV View Post
    Slower than the V1 in motor Trend figure eight. Add. A hundred pounds to the top of the engine and we'll see.


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    As much or probably MORE weight is coming from the HUGE brakes. They are about as low as you can get something on the car. The CG could be lower than you are expecting because of this fact.

    EDIT: Also forgot the larger wheels required to got around the pizza sized brakes that are not only larger diameter, but also wider than any previous CTS wheel. These better brakes and wheels are overkill compared to the weight increase also and are going to help figure 8 times by allowing them to stay on the throttle longer in each straight.

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    Re: M/T COTY Base CTS Test Data - Interesting

    Quote Originally Posted by HiTechRV View Post
    Hmm larger, stickier tires are certainly able to offset weight on a skidpad. That would literally be their function, in fact.
    In a very basic way, yes but you can't simply say, "damn the mass, give it bigger tires". Just doesn't work that way.

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