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    Re: 09-V Causing a stir

    Only time will tell whether this V will carve a serious impression in the world market or not. The Gen 1 "could have" and probably "should have" but too many "issues" plagued it for many beyond the Cadillac community to see the car as anything more than a "nice car for a Cadillac".
    Unfortunately, all we have to go on is pictures and spec sheets. Hopefully, when the actual car gets into the hands of true enthusiasts, it won't disappoint. If not, and if unforeseen "issues" don't shoot it in the foot after launch, the car sure "looks" like it could finally give us all something to be truly proud of.
    Here's hopin'!!!

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    Re: 09-V Causing a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by Katshot View Post
    Only time will tell whether this V will carve a serious impression in the world market or not. The Gen 1 "could have" and probably "should have" but too many "issues" plagued it for many beyond the Cadillac community to see the car as anything more than a "nice car for a Cadillac".
    Unfortunately, all we have to go on is pictures and spec sheets. Hopefully, when the actual car gets into the hands of true enthusiasts, it won't disappoint. If not, and if unforeseen "issues" don't shoot it in the foot after launch, the car sure "looks" like it could finally give us all something to be truly proud of.
    Here's hopin'!!!
    For a $50k car, the 1st Gen V makes me plenty proud...


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    Re: 09-V Causing a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    For a $50k car, the 1st Gen V makes me plenty proud...
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    Re: 09-V Causing a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    For a $50k car, the 1st Gen V makes me plenty proud...
    Don't get me wrong, the Gen 1 cars were very nice but all you need to do is read through any number of threads here on the V forum and you can see that even among the dedicated, there are a good deal of complaints about the cars. Couple that with the fact that the car's exterior/interior styling (especially the interior) left many wanting, and you can see where the car has a decent job ahead of it when it hits later this year. What it NEEDS to do is not only appeal to the small, already established group of GM enthusiasts but, be able to pull from all it's supposed competitors market shares. No small job like I said but I think this Gen 2 just might be up for the fight. It "seems" to have the goods but as I said, only time will tell whether Cadillac will shoot themselves in the foot yet again.

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    Re: 09-V Causing a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    For a $50k car, the 1st Gen V makes me plenty proud...
    Quote Originally Posted by P-Funk View Post
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    I'm very impressed with the GenII... but I won't be there for awhile.

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    Re: 09-V Causing a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    Lime Rock is expensive. But I'd be up to go, especially if you wanted to meet up...
    Yeah, we'll certainly revisit this topic come springtime. Maybe we can get a group of forum members/owners to make a trip there. It is a beautiful track, and a wonderful drive to get there.

    Thread-jack off.

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    Re: 09-V Causing a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by Katshot View Post
    Don't get me wrong, the Gen 1 cars were very nice but all you need to do is read through any number of threads here on the V forum and you can see that even among the dedicated, there are a good deal of complaints about the cars.
    have you looked in 08 CTS yet?

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    Re: 09-V Causing a stir

    Cars break it happens with anything. I think GM has a very solid car with the new V though a little pricey. As long as the seal in the differential holds up I think it will be a great car.

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    Re: 09-V Causing a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by urbanski View Post
    have you looked in 08 CTS yet?
    Yes, why?

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    Guys and Gals this car has to rock there is no other option for GM and Cadillac right now........There has been soooooo much more time in R and D and much more info from there racing program. ITS GOING TO ROCK Clicking my heels 3 times.....

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    Re: 09-V Causing a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by Katshot View Post
    Only time will tell whether this V will carve a serious impression in the world market or not. The Gen 1 "could have" and probably "should have" but too many "issues" plagued it for many beyond the Cadillac community to see the car as anything more than a "nice car for a Cadillac".
    Unfortunately, all we have to go on is pictures and spec sheets. Hopefully, when the actual car gets into the hands of true enthusiasts, it won't disappoint. If not, and if unforeseen "issues" don't shoot it in the foot after launch, the car sure "looks" like it could finally give us all something to be truly proud of.
    Here's hopin'!!!

    I can say I am plenty proud of my "V".. stock for stock I can pretty much beat a lot of the cars on I395, I495, I270 and I95. So far I am still on my original diff. Knock on wood. As far as serious impressions... I get looks on the road... and it's an 04.

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    Re: 09-V Causing a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by FIVEOH!!! View Post
    I can say I am plenty proud of my "V".. stock for stock I can pretty much beat a lot of the cars on I395, I495, I270 and I95. So far I am still on my original diff. Knock on wood. As far as serious impressions... I get looks on the road... and it's an 04.
    You're missing the point. Nobody said the Gen 1 wasn't a good performer. That's the ONE thing that EVERYONE agrees on. The performance is nothing short of amazing. The problem is, while you, and quite a few others here are willing to concentrate on the car's performance as being all important, and overlook it's weak points, the rest of the market wants a more "rounded" vehicle, and had a problem with those weak points.

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    Re: 09-V Causing a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by Katshot View Post
    You're missing the point. Nobody said the Gen 1 wasn't a good performer. That's the ONE thing that EVERYONE agrees on. The performance is nothing short of amazing. The problem is, while you, and quite a few others here are willing to concentrate on the car's performance as being all important, and overlook it's weak points, the rest of the market wants a more "rounded" vehicle, and had a problem with those weak points.
    I've heard the weak points about the diff...but I have 50k on my 2005 with no problems...granted, I don't do clutch drops, I do however drive the crap out of it. I had a BMW Z3 M Coupe which had rear subframe issues, as in the whole rear subframe could tear apart given enough time and stress. There is a fix a forum member created, however it costs ~$3k installed. The diff fixes from my understanding are considerably less, and oftentimes covered under warranty.

    I have a couple rattles, going to have them addressed at next service. My $90k Mercedes CL500 had a sunroof rattle as well...its a car, this will happen, especially with a firm suspension.

    The interior isn't up to par for a $50k car, but then neither is the last generation M3 at the same price point, the M3 prior to that wasn't great either. So what, the navigation buttons chip...again, I had some issues similar on my CL500, my E36 M3 had a few issues. No car is going to be perfect, yet all enthusiasts expect that (read BMW, Benz forums, etc. for examples)

    The car handles amazingly well for a big car (which it is). I am concerned as the new one is 4200 lbs...thats a bit too tubby for me...hell this is right at the limit in weight of a "fun" car.

    The styling on my 05 I love. The new one...eh, with all the V6 CTS they are throwing mesh grills and rims on at the dealer...it won't quite have the same distinction and visual appeal as this one had over the base CTS.

    We as enthusiasts only hear and post about the problems we have. I don't post often, because I rarely have issues. I have the 6 yr 100k warranty, and consequently drive the hell out of my car on Los Angeles streets. I may have stuff come up down the line, but in my experience, every vehicle I've owned (primarily German) have their own issues. 550hp sounds awesome, however 4200 lbs does not. I'd much rather have 450-500hp in a car that weighed considerably less. Just my opinion.

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    Re: 09-V Causing a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by brentm368 View Post
    I've heard the weak points about the diff...but I have 50k on my 2005 with no problems...granted, I don't do clutch drops, I do however drive the crap out of it. I had a BMW Z3 M Coupe which had rear subframe issues, as in the whole rear subframe could tear apart given enough time and stress. There is a fix a forum member created, however it costs ~$3k installed. The diff fixes from my understanding are considerably less, and oftentimes covered under warranty.

    I have a couple rattles, going to have them addressed at next service. My $90k Mercedes CL500 had a sunroof rattle as well...its a car, this will happen, especially with a firm suspension.

    The interior isn't up to par for a $50k car, but then neither is the last generation M3 at the same price point, the M3 prior to that wasn't great either. So what, the navigation buttons chip...again, I had some issues similar on my CL500, my E36 M3 had a few issues. No car is going to be perfect, yet all enthusiasts expect that (read BMW, Benz forums, etc. for examples)

    The car handles amazingly well for a big car (which it is). I am concerned as the new one is 4200 lbs...thats a bit too tubby for me...hell this is right at the limit in weight of a "fun" car.

    The styling on my 05 I love. The new one...eh, with all the V6 CTS they are throwing mesh grills and rims on at the dealer...it won't quite have the same distinction and visual appeal as this one had over the base CTS.

    We as enthusiasts only hear and post about the problems we have. I don't post often, because I rarely have issues. I have the 6 yr 100k warranty, and consequently drive the hell out of my car on Los Angeles streets. I may have stuff come up down the line, but in my experience, every vehicle I've owned (primarily German) have their own issues. 550hp sounds awesome, however 4200 lbs does not. I'd much rather have 450-500hp in a car that weighed considerably less. Just my opinion.
    Well said, and I totally agree. The problem is that the M3 enjoys a kind of reputation cushion that the CTS-V does not. Therefore, there will be little slack cut to it. Face it, when you intend to try to take down a competitor that's enjoyed many years as the "benchmark" of it's class, you have to bring your "A" game. Anything else will just fall short. I know it's not fair but that's the way life is in most competitive forums. For the CTS-V to actually displace the M3 as the king of the hill in it's class, it's got to not only beat it hands down in every conceivable way but also not shoot itself in the foot by having any critical "issues" pop up within the first year or so.
    IMO, the Gen 1 'V' was a great car "for a Cadillac" but just not good enough to win over the intended market. Great first effort, now build on that, and show them you have what it takes to be the best. Patience and consistent effort will win, but that's NOT something GM tends to be very good at. They're good at sporadic greatness amongst constant mediocrity.

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    Re: 09-V Causing a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by Katshot View Post
    You're missing the point. Nobody said the Gen 1 wasn't a good performer. That's the ONE thing that EVERYONE agrees on. The performance is nothing short of amazing. The problem is, while you, and quite a few others here are willing to concentrate on the car's performance as being all important, and overlook it's weak points, the rest of the market wants a more "rounded" vehicle, and had a problem with those weak points.
    No, I understand. There is a certain acceptance point with these cars. And you do need a quality, willing dealership as well.

    The scenario is like a scale. With some, the issues with the differential and headaches are too much. For me, the issues and changing how I drive, with no burnouts, is far outweighed by the joy of driving and owning this car...


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