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2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V General Discussion Discussion, V production numbers! At least some numbers. in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009-2014; I'd guess WAY less than 25% of wagons are 6MT's, at least based on when I was searching for a ...
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    Re: V production numbers! At least some numbers.

    I'd guess WAY less than 25% of wagons are 6MT's, at least based on when I was searching for a used one a few months ago. My slightly educated guess would be closer to 5%, maybe 10% at most. I vaguely recall reading somewhere that around 50 6mt wagons were produced each year from '11-'13, but no idea how accurate that information was. Wonder what the '14 production numbers are gonna be...

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    Re: V production numbers! At least some numbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moparman4444 View Post
    I can definitely see hanging on to my coupe for 20+ years and just add to my collection.
    Yup. I'm there, too. My V wagon and my S2000 are keepers. Not because I want to make any money off them...that would be dumb....but because I genuinely like them, want to drive them, and don't want to give them up. I'm already looking at a more gas efficient car for the next daily driver in another year or two so the wagon doesn't get too rusted up, but the V wagon and S2000 stay part of my fleet.

    In 20 years, they'll be "driver quality", unmolested cars should I choose to sell.

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    Re: V production numbers! At least some numbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by neuronbob View Post
    The forum admins fubar the links for competitor Cadi forums. Understandable for business reasons.

    However: we now have production numbers finally! Woot!

    1386 total V wagons 2011-13, or 7% of total production, for those too lazy to go over there.
    7030 Coupes 2010-2013, or 38% of total production
    10010 Sedans 2009-2013, or 54% of total production

    No breakdown of MT vs AT etc.
    Sweet- I was pretty close with my fuzzy-math predictions from 5 months ago!

    So I think my first guess of 1200-1500 Wagons is probably pretty close and well within my approximations above. Even if we say 30% of all CTSV wagons are manuals - which is an absurd number - there are going to be around 500 manual CTSV wagons (or less) of any option level ever built.
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    Re: V production numbers! At least some numbers.

    wow some actual numbers for once. Thanks guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by vfaninva View Post
    Thanks again Bob. The numbers just seem high to me. I live in the most populated city in VA and have seen 1 Vagon (at the dealership), 2 V coupes, and maybe 4 or 5 V sedans ever. People must be hiding them away I guess.
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    Well John, I have one of those sedans in VA Beach! You're right you dont see many.

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    Re: V production numbers! At least some numbers.

    Thank you for posting.

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    Re: V production numbers! At least some numbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by opposite locker View Post
    I'd guess WAY less than 25% of wagons are 6MT's, at least based on when I was searching for a used one a few months ago. My slightly educated guess would be closer to 5%, maybe 10% at most.
    Your implied assumption is that the used vehicles listed for sale at any particular point in time are a representative sample of what was produced. This assumes, for example, that people who bought autos are no more likely to have put them up for sale than manuals, or that autos stay on the market no longer than manuals.

    It's possible that when you look at the used market, you only see 5% manual wagons because the guys who bought manuals are keeping them, and/or that when a manual does get listed, it gets sold more quickly.

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    As far as rarity. Total being 18426. Several thousand sold over seas... that just leaves at most 300-350 per state. They are going to be rare to spot. Even more rare if you section that off into sedan wagon or coupe.

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    Re: V production numbers! At least some numbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jinx View Post
    Your implied assumption is that the used vehicles listed for sale at any particular point in time are a representative sample of what was produced. This assumes, for example, that people who bought autos are no more likely to have put them up for sale than manuals, or that autos stay on the market no longer than manuals.

    It's possible that when you look at the used market, you only see 5% manual wagons because the guys who bought manuals are keeping them, and/or that when a manual does get listed, it gets sold more quickly.

    .Jinx
    More likely, you're seeing the "3 year lease" options that people are letting go - whether it be for economic reasons, the commute, or the "it's a unicorn!" phenomena I don't know.

    But the assumption is that these reasons for keeping or leaving autos or manuals is that... well, overall it would average out about the same as why people would purchase autos or manuals in the first place.

    I guess we'll know in another year or two when the breakdown numbers are released. I'd still wager that 20% of total production is a very, very optimistic approximation of manual cars relative to autos - and that's because it typically extends to other performance-orientated offerings as well (ie Corvettes, etc).

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    Re: V production numbers! At least some numbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moparman4444 View Post
    ...2. Great performers at 545hp...
    Make that 556

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    Re: V production numbers! At least some numbers.

    Sample sizes are so small and so uncontrolled that you can't really draw conclusions with much confidence.

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    Re: V production numbers! At least some numbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gman1023 View Post
    Here's a snip of the full breakdown posted there, including year by year breakdown for all V models/body styles. The claim is that the minutiae in which we are all interested in is not available at this time and that the most specific data is collected on Corvettes and nothing else. Sounds like BS to me, the F-body guys seem to have success in pulling that data from GM. Anyway here you go:

    Attachment 156785
    Interesting that they sold more coupes than sedans 2011-2013.

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    Re: V production numbers! At least some numbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by FLTRI View Post
    Interesting that they sold more coupes than sedans 2011-2013.
    I'm not surprised at all. I wondered if that was the case all along, it seems since the coupe came out it's much more rare to see a new V sedan or someone posting on the forums with a new sedan.

    Vagon sales are about what I expected too. Even though 2013 was a bang-up sales year for new cars across the board, 2012 was the year the dealers over-ordered thinking that due to all the press hype they might sell. Lo and behold, spring 2013 rolls around and they're still sitting on them.

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    Re: V production numbers! At least some numbers.

    Thanks for the numbers, very interesting....but.....

    2009......3035 total production
    2010......1746 total production
    2011......5704 total production
    2012......4873 total production
    2013......3068 total production

    Can anyone spot the trend?

    Seriously wondering what the design team at GM is thinking. I know the CTS-V for 2015 (or maybe 2016) is just around the corner, but I wonder what they will come up with to turn that market share around. It will certainly have to be very impressive, much more than the current GEN 2 already is. Obviously something big is coming, or the V series would have been dropped. It doesn't take an MBA to figure out that something will have to be done one way or the other. Exciting times we live in, that's for sure.

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    Re: V production numbers! At least some numbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiamondWhtV View Post
    Thanks for the numbers, very interesting....but.....

    2009......3035 total production
    2010......1746 total production
    2011......5704 total production
    2012......4873 total production
    2013......3068 total production

    Can anyone spot the trend?

    Seriously wondering what the design team at GM is thinking. I know the CTS-V for 2015 (or maybe 2016) is just around the corner, but I wonder what they will come up with to turn that market share around. It will certainly have to be very impressive, much more than the current GEN 2 already is. Obviously something big is coming, or the V series would have been dropped. It doesn't take an MBA to figure out that something will have to be done one way or the other. Exciting times we live in, that's for sure.
    I don't know - the more impressive and exclusive a vehicle, the more it costs and conversely the less you're likely to sell.

    How many more v6 or "entry" level V8 Mustangs does Ford sell relative to the GT500?

    It's not just about performance and features - it's also the pricepoint. We all agree that Cadillac did a great job with the CTSV both in Sedan, Wagon and Coupe forms (the coupe being arguably the least competitive relative to other 2-door vehicles). But in reality, they sell a metric shit ton more CTS variants (as in hundreds of thousands more) because they are more affordable... like an entry level mustang.

    Halo cars are more about presence than they are about volume. My question is: what will be Cadillac's Halo car?
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