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2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V General Discussion Discussion, V Sport First Test in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009-2014; ^^^^1) German Heritage 2) British Heritage 3) Years of performing with base model line in that price range 4) The ...
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    Re: V Sport First Test

    ^^^^1) German Heritage
    2) British Heritage
    3) Years of performing with base model line in that price range
    4) The snobbish status symbol provided by car of the above pedigree.

    As was stated multiple times, Cadillac has to offer more for less - that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Some exact features, same exact performance numbers, and I'm going with the "other guys" every time if I'm spending that kind of cash. I'm not alone in this.

    2014 E550 4Matic base price around $60k with $10-12k in options. 4.3 0-60

    2014 CLS550 4 matic starts at around $70,000. Loaded I believe a bit over $80,000. I'd spend $80k on this car or wait a year for a used one before spending $70,000 on a Caddy, and I LOVE my V - LOVE it.

    2013 S6 AWD $72,000 and really more of a true V competitor - way better Performace thana Vsport. 3.7 0-60

    2014 550 start at $51k but in true BMW fashion I'm sure options out to $70k. I'm not a BMW fan, and I think they are overpriced and not better quality than Benz or Audi.

    2013 Jaguar XF supercharged $68,000 XFR $84,000 - neither is a slouch and has one of the nicest interiors I've sat in.

    The Vsport is priced in the range of all these cars and doesn't offer more for less.

    Also:

    2014-2015 SRT8 300 loaded at $55,000. The bargain in this price range. Would destroy a Vsport 0-60, however probably not on a track, and is really more of a 750, S class size car - they are quite large. The 2015-2016 SRT8 will have an 8 speed transmission with an optional 6.2 supercharged hemi with a rumored 600hp. This might rival the V3 at a significantly lower price, without the track inspired handling, and in a larger car. Pricing will be lower than a Vsport fully loaded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaVeNous View Post
    ^^^^1) German Heritage
    2) British Heritage
    3) Years of performing with base model line in that price range
    4) The snobbish status symbol provided by car of the above pedigree.

    As was stated multiple times, Cadillac has to offer more for less - that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Some exact features, same exact performance numbers, and I'm going with the "other guys" every time if I'm spending that kind of cash. I'm not alone in this.
    +1. I agree

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    Re: V Sport First Test

    Quote Originally Posted by RGaret View Post
    THANK YOU! This is the kind of reaction I was looking for when I started this thread. Given the choice between a BMW, Cadillac, MB, or an AUDI all at the same price, I am definitely not going to choose a Cadillac. Part of the appeal of the V2 was that I could smoke the German rivals and save $20k in the process. Sorry, but that is just my preference. I will never forget when I returned my BMW lease the salesperson said "What did you get instead of a BMW". I said "A Cadillac CTS V". She said "You cant compare their car to mine" and I said "I can and it costs $20k less. Give me yours for the same price and we have a deal". Well, you can imagine the look she gave me. I think the new CTS is a vast improvement and demonstrates how far GM has come, but they have to do better than the Germans and for less money given the history of the past 30 years. The Cimarron maybe a long time ago, but I still remember it.
    What kind of BMW did you have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by youknooow View Post

    What kind of BMW did you have?
    E60 535i. Cost the same as a CTS V of the same MY (2010). I got it because at that time, GM was going out of business. Performance not even in the same league. Service was outstanding from two different dealers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedboss1 View Post
    That's not really helping

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGaret View Post

    +1. I agree
    Have fun being butthurt.

    If I can afford a V3 and its priced the same as its competitors, I'll compare and buy the best. Which would be Cadillac since their handling has been unparalleled in each sports sedan segment for years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pato View Post

    Wut? 590?
    All these g00bs proclaiming they WON'T buy a V3 because they liked picking from the clearance bins and are used to being cheap aren't giving the V3 a chance.

    They'll all shut up soon enough...

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    Re: V Sport First Test

    "offer more"


    like what? Yes a little tightening up here and there, but how much more do you want in a car?


    you walk up to it, the lights come on and you open the door. Leave the fob in your pocket and start the car, backup camera shows you where to back up. Seats cool or heat your ass, hard drive plays your music GPS tells you where to go.
    You put it in drive and smoke the crap out of the tires with a big grin on your face. Car handles great and looks great

    I dont need the back seat to give a massage , dont need the car to read me text messages.


    Some better fuel economy would be nice, but I bet Ill still only get 12mpg, bigger tank doesnt bother me im not using the thing to transport cargo across country. Updated GPS/entertainment system wouldnt be bad. Dealers- they could be better. Lexus and Infinity have both treated me and my money much better than Cadillac has but they lack something they are too generic and boring.

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    There WILL be more room. And more tech. And more weight savings. And more better handling.

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    Re: V Sport First Test

    I'm not trying to say Cadillac isn't as good, particularly in the last few years. But as good or a bit better at the same price doesn't makeup for the lack of status that is a big factor to a person spending $70,000 on a car. Cadillac doesn't have that prestige, it doesn't matter if it deserves it or not. I like that its always the underdog, and can offer MORE for LESS. They are not following that model.

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    So now they'll offer more for same. But you'll buy less for same in the name of your perceived prestige? Have at it...
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    Re: V Sport First Test

    Quote Originally Posted by RaVeNous View Post
    I'm not trying to say Cadillac isn't as good, particularly in the last few years. But as good or a bit better at the same price doesn't makeup for the lack of status that is a big factor to a person spending $70,000 on a car. Cadillac doesn't have that prestige, it doesn't matter if it deserves it or not. I like that its always the underdog, and can offer MORE for LESS. They are not following that model.
    That is exactly what Cadillac is doing - breaking out of the model of being perceived as not as good as the Germans.....I am all for it. We have been fortunate to be able to get the V for a discount compared to the German cars....now we will have to pay the same. And who buys a car for the sticker price anyway....German/American whatever, if you pay sticker price you are overpaying. Cadillac does not want to be perceived as being less than the Germans. It is hard to break that thinking in people - I mean look - we are some of the brands best customers/supporters and most of the people in this thread want Cadillac to stay priced under the competition for the same or better content.

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    Re: V Sport First Test

    I agree, and I think this is acceptable in the $40-50k range, but approaching $100,000 a Cadillac will never have the prestige that a Mercedes has, it doesn't matter how much better the car is. Honestly $74,000 for the V2 sticker was a bit high, but at the time it blew the doors off anything at that price. As a used vehicle in the $45,000 range there is nothing that really touches a V2 in performance - style too inside and out but that is subjective.


    At $80,000 the V3 isn't going to be $$20,000 cheaper and blow the doors off:

    Panamera

    S5

    S6

    S7

    E63

    CLS63

    M3

    M4

    M5

    XFR

    Almost of which now are well below 4 seconds 0-60, 11's in the quarter mile and have good reviews of driving and handling.
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    Re: V Sport First Test

    They are not following the more for less model? The new Honda accord can be had with led headlights, taillights and drls, mirror mounted turn signals, standard Bluetooth, rear view camera, pandora, SMS text feature, and you can even get the blind spot view system where an image of your blind spot displays on the nav screen from a camera at the mirror when you signal right (Which I've read in more than one location turns out to be a useless gimmick) and you won't go over 40k. That's more for less for you.

    It's not cadillac's job to offer more for less. My little sister wants nothing more than an ats. She just started driving a year ago. She drives the 1997 Altima, also my first car but she badly wants an ats. The younger generation wasn't around for the bad times at Cadillac. We were so we have this perception, but the bottom line is that Cadillac has begun to build an equal or better car to its competitors. Look at the new cts and 5 series for what they are, not what they were 10 years ago.

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    The v3's mission isn't to blow the doors off the competition and be $20,000 cheaper. It is to compete at a competitive price. Buy a corvette. It blows the doors off of its competition at huge discounts.

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    Re: V Sport First Test

    It's Governments Motors responsibility to sell cars.

    Until Honda offers performance it's not in the conversation.

    The new corvette doesn't even blow the doors off a $80,000 Audi Sedan....just saying. But it's sure purty. I want one.

    I can't afford any of these cars, but at $80,000 I wouldn't be looking at GM and I'm not alone. It doesn't make me a bad person to shop for bargains.
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