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2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V General Discussion Discussion, Difference between 13 vs 14 in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009-2014; Originally Posted by Snotty Boom Body Well that was a very nice commercial for the app and OnStar but didn't ...
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    Re: Difference between 13 vs 14

    Quote Originally Posted by Snotty Boom Body View Post
    Well that was a very nice commercial for the app and OnStar but didn't answer my original question.

    But I guess bbradyc5 told it like it is so I'll go with that answer.

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    I couldn't have said it better myself! WOW!
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    Re: Difference between 13 vs 14

    Either GM is held hostage by the cell carriers, i.e. they can't negotiate a cumulative data rate and have to pay a recurring per-car fee to maintain connectivity...

    ...or GM is obsessed with generating recurring OnStar revenue from car buyers, sometimes at the expense of the car's market competitiveness without OnStar...

    ...or maybe both. Whatever the reason, the endless pimping of OnStar and enticements to get in the van for bits of smartphone candy is a huge turn-off for me. I'm never going to pay $19 a month for stuff that should be free (vehicle diagnostics, turn by turn navigation), stuff I already get through a a smartphone (hands-free calling), or in-case-of-disaster insurance (stolen/crashed), so good luck making the other candy worth that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 87GN View Post

    I couldn't have said it better myself! WOW!
    $360 a year for this service is a joke. I will never pay for OnStar. And if I am not close to my car to remote start it with the key fob, I shouldn't be doing it. I had a BMW and they had a similar service that was free for 4 years. Much better deal.
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    Re: Difference between 13 vs 14

    Quote Originally Posted by Jinx View Post
    Either GM is held hostage by the cell carriers, i.e. they can't negotiate a cumulative data rate and have to pay a recurring per-car fee to maintain connectivity...

    ...or GM is obsessed with generating recurring OnStar revenue from car buyers, sometimes at the expense of the car's market competitiveness without OnStar...

    ...or maybe both. Whatever the reason, the endless pimping of OnStar and enticements to get in the van for bits of smartphone candy is a huge turn-off for me. I'm never going to pay $19 a month for stuff that should be free (vehicle diagnostics, turn by turn navigation), stuff I already get through a a smartphone (hands-free calling), or in-case-of-disaster insurance (stolen/crashed), so good luck making the other candy worth that much.

    A freakn men.


    The cost is a joke. Updates for the NAV at a cost is a joke.
    My 2 year old iPhone has better NAV tech.
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    Re: Difference between 13 vs 14

    I wouldn't mind paying $30 for annual nav data updates. But that's all it should cost -- Microsoft Streets and Trips is $20.

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    Re: Difference between 13 vs 14

    Quote Originally Posted by Jinx View Post
    I wouldn't mind paying $30 for annual nav data updates. But that's all it should cost -- Microsoft Streets and Trips is $20.
    perhaps....but when you pay $1000 or more for the NAV option....

    It pissed me off more that you don't get free onstar iPhone diagnostics and service reminders. Or make onstar more reasonable.
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    Re: Difference between 13 vs 14

    Quote Originally Posted by RaVeNous View Post
    perhaps....but when you pay $1000 or more for the NAV option....
    Was NAV ever optional on the V2?

    It pissed me off more that you don't get free onstar iPhone diagnostics and service reminders. Or make onstar more reasonable.
    Car companies are not going to eat recurring cellular data connection costs in perpetuity. And I abhor the idea of them selling data about me to pay for it.

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    Nav was an option in '09...
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    Re: Difference between 13 vs 14

    I'm pretty certain that On-Star is a satellite based service, not cellular based. Same as Benz. In fact I'm pretty sure that they both were developed by Hughes Network Systems. But the Benz service is "only" $280/yr. Still not worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogbreath View Post
    I'm pretty certain that On-Star is a satellite based service, not cellular based. Same as Benz. In fact I'm pretty sure that they both were developed by Hughes Network Systems. But the Benz service is "only" $280/yr. Still not worth it.
    I think it is cellular. That would explain why OnStar in older GM cars stopped working when the Verizon cell network went all digital a couple of years ago.

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    Re: Difference between 13 vs 14

    I think it's a combination of both. Cell for voice/telemetry and satellite for GPS/location.
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    Re: Difference between 13 vs 14

    off topic sorta, but you mentoned Gm used and warranty could be a issue. Last summer i was on the road, looked over and there set a 2011 V sedan, it had 9K miles on windshild, and $ 34 or $44 as a price. To be honest i cant remember now but it was very cheap like salvage title money.. So i called the dealer and ask about the car. The woman said it has ever option, Recaro's etc. But its a Auto, I ask about what was up with the price and she said well its a catch 22, GM used this car in power train testing, so they say, so there is no warranty. Then she said but that doesnt mean that is what it was used for, It could have been a test car from GM, or a supplied car for editors of tv or magizeens. She was pretty nice and seemed to be honest, She faxed all the papaer work and the car was still titled to GM, Its been a while but i want to say the title read something like GM MFR CTS-2 or something for owner. Address was Detroit M, Anyway the lady said they also had a ZR-1 that GM had used as well for high speed testing. it had 3K miles on it..


    I would love to have had unlimited funds. Just to buy that ZR-1 then go to the dealer and watch there face when they plug it up the computer and it say 200+ mph like 500 times lol.

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    Re: Difference between 13 vs 14

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogbreath View Post
    I'm pretty certain that On-Star is a satellite based service, not cellular based. Same as Benz. In fact I'm pretty sure that they both were developed by Hughes Network Systems. But the Benz service is "only"
    $280/yr. Still not worth it.
    These do not use two-way satellite communication; they're just cell phones with GPS receivers.

    From mbusa.com's mbrace site:
    *All Mercedes-Benz mbraceŽ services operate only where cellular and Global Positioning Satellite signals are available, which are provided by third parties and not within the control of
    Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC.

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    OnStar at $30/month is a joke. Who needs to honk their horn or check their mileage for $360/year? And sending directions? My iphone has three nav programs that are more convenient and do a far better job. I told my wife that I'd keep OnStar if it was $10/month. Then I saw it was $20-30/month depending on the plan and just started laughing. Also hilarious how the operator tries to sell you cell minutes to call people through Onstar when you sign up for the trial. 'What if you lose your phone and you're stranded in the middle of no where?' I told her the phone probably wouldn't have had service anyway.
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    Re: Difference between 13 vs 14

    OnStar is a joke, as is the way out dated-non upgradeable software in the car which I think goes back to 2007? Fortunately for me, I never use it anyway, if mine hadn' t come dealer ordered with the NAV option, I wouldn't have bothered. I bought the car for
    the looks and the performance. I will say however that my 2013RAM truck has a better system and I can upgrade the software at no charge by checking the U-Connect website.

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