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2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V General Discussion Discussion, USA Today thinks it knows about the new V in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009-2014; Originally Posted by M5eater Cadillac is dead last to the party in using their in-house tuning company name on more ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by M5eater

    Cadillac is dead last to the party in using their in-house tuning company name on more pedestrian cars.

    BMW M-sport
    Audi S-Line
    Lexus F-sport
    Mercedes blaintly puts AMG badges all over anything a customer wants just about.
    The Germans love complexity and are wh***s. Why can't Cadillac dare to be different and simplify? It was bad enough that the V1 grill was available for non-V's. Maybe they'll have to sell more vinyl roof coverings and gold trim packages for the other models to increase revenue. Bad taste is always in good supply.

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    Re: USA Today thinks it knows about the new V

    The merits of the Vsport moniker were beaten to death not long ago:

    http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...-cts-lame.html

    Is there anything new to say or should we just copy-paste?

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    Maybe I missed something but I thought they were correct. They saiid a new sport model named the ctsv sport will have a 6 cylinder turbo charged engine with 420 horsepower. Isn't that what's happening? They just didn't mention the V at all. Maybe there is no info on it yet.

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    Re: USA Today thinks it knows about the new V

    They fixed the article. Yesterday it said CTS-V where today it says CTS Vsport.

    The great thing about online journalism is you don't have to print corrections or retractions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinx View Post
    Actual bang-for-buck comparison --

    V1, $49,995 base price
    400hp: 8.00 hp per thousand dollars
    0-60 in 5.2 seconds, 16.92 ft/sec2: 0.338 ft/sec2 per thousand dollars
    13.7 sec 1/4mi, 96.35 ft/sec: 1.927 ft/sec per thousand dollars

    V2, $65,000 base price
    556hp: 8.55 hp per thousand dollars
    0-60 in 4.3 seconds, 20.47 ft/sec2: 0.315 ft/sec2 per thousand dollars
    12.6 sec 1/4mi, 104.76 ft/sec: 1.612 ft/sec per thousand dollars

    I did not find a Nurburgring lap time for the V1 or other linear measurement to account for handling. Anybody got any decent apples-to-apples figures for a road course or such?

    .Jinx
    Where did u get those numbers for the V1 and V2? They seem a little high.

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    Re: USA Today thinks it knows about the new V

    Car & Driver, from the road tests for the first-year cars. They correct for conditions and are fairly consistent over time.

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    Re: USA Today thinks it knows about the new V

    Quote Originally Posted by neuronbob View Post
    I posted a comment for the editors to correct their error. We'll see if it actually happens. Sigh.
    They corrected the error. Cool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by odla View Post
    Seems like the v is going more into the same prices as m5, amg's and the like money territory. The v1 was great bang for the buck. The v2 was still there but going on up. I guess when you are moving on up your cost does too lol.
    Base Vs were only about $12G more than the V1. For all the engineering you got and how complete it was? The V2 was/is a tremendous value. Just as much as the V1.

    Think of it this way...

    How much would a V1 cost if maggied with 8.8 rear, axles and a MRC suspension?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinx View Post
    Car & Driver, from the road tests for the first-year cars. They correct for conditions and are fairly consistent over time.
    I know C&D had an '04 with a 4.6 0-60 time...

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    Re: USA Today thinks it knows about the new V

    Quote Originally Posted by Jinx View Post
    Actual bang-for-buck comparison --

    V1, $49,995 base price
    400hp: 8.00 hp per thousand dollars
    0-60 in 5.2 seconds, 16.92 ft/sec2: 0.338 ft/sec2 per thousand dollars
    13.7 sec 1/4mi, 96.35 ft/sec: 1.927 ft/sec per thousand dollars

    V2, $65,000 base price
    556hp: 8.55 hp per thousand dollars
    0-60 in 4.3 seconds, 20.47 ft/sec2: 0.315 ft/sec2 per thousand dollars
    12.6 sec 1/4mi, 104.76 ft/sec: 1.612 ft/sec per thousand dollars

    I did not find a Nurburgring lap time for the V1 or other linear measurement to account for handling. Anybody got any decent apples-to-apples figures for a road course or such?

    .Jinx
    Keep in mind that when it came out in '09, the base price on a V2 was $59,995.

    Or, if you would rather, compare to the competition. The V1 came out immediately following the E39 M5. It had extremely similar stats and options but cost $20k less. The V2 came out late in the E60 M5 cycle except that it now had better performance figures and cost $30k less then the M5. Looks like the V3 will begin to close the price gap. Smart business move, but kind of disappointing given the history of the V and what set it apart in the past.

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    Re: USA Today thinks it knows about the new V

    You're right, I eventually found the right MSRP; the estimates before the announcement were all over. That makes it
    9.27 hp per thousand dollars
    0.341 ft/sec2 per thousand dollars
    1.746 ft/sec per thousand dollars

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman1023

    Keep in mind that when it came out in '09, the base price on a V2 was $59,995.

    Or, if you would rather, compare to the competition. The V1 came out immediately following the E39 M5. It had extremely similar stats and options but cost $20k less. The V2 came out late in the E60 M5 cycle except that it now had better performance figures and cost $30k less then the M5. Looks like the V3 will begin to close the price gap. Smart business move, but kind of disappointing given the history of the V and what set it apart in the past.
    I just checked BMWUSA.COM. M5 starts out around $90k. Configured the way I would have it and it's right at $107k. So, if the V3 is $20k less, that would put it at $70k to about $87k. Now, how many of us paid MSRP for this car? Probably no one did. I want to see what my GM supplier discount will get me in a couple of years time.
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    Re: USA Today thinks it knows about the new V

    The price increase that we're anticipating with the V3 really shouldn't be much of a surprise. It's easy to make a relatively cheap competitor to the Germans with 400hp (V1). Then you make it more powerful and add a bit more finish without caring much about weight and you get the V2. To make another evolutional step, the V3 is going to need to be lighter. 600hp in a 4500lb car just won't cut it with the big boys unless Cadillac is putting some trick engineering and software into the car 'GTR style'. So figure on some composites (hopefully carbon fiber instead of plastic and fiberglass) as well as another step up in interior luxury. And just like the GTR started off as a bargain and evolved into a $100k+ machine, the V3 will be significantly more expensive than it's far removed starter-self V1.

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    When I was at the V labs event in Monticello 2 years ago, they said the V was "M5 performance for M3 money". I'm not saying that's why I got this car, but it is nice to save that much cash. I had a BMW and while I wouldn't say it was super reliable, their build quality was outstanding. Is the new V going to match that as well? If so then maybe the price is justifiable.

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    Re: USA Today thinks it knows about the new V

    Notice that the stock 2014 CTS is $6000 more than this year? Success breeds the opportunity to bump up prices; let's hope Cadillac doesn't overdo it.

    Mike

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    Re: USA Today thinks it knows about the new V

    That's not a fair comparison because the 2014 has more standard equipment.

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