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    Re: Might Have to Sell Vagon for a More Fuel Efficient (But Fast!) DD Vehicle

    3000 miles a month in a V is nearly 1000 bucks in a month in gas, ask me how I know why? In my TDI it's 350 a month in diesel. Soooo, $650 savings a month in fuel costs is $7800.00 per year, plus I keep the V in nice shape and not all beat up as a daily driver like dings in the rims, pitted front end etc. It costs a grand a year to insure my TDI. This does not even count the super high tire replacement costs of the V, the tires on the TDI will go 50,000 miles and are cheap. I really like the TDI, comfortable and the bluetooth audio is great, just put a holder on the dash for my Galaxy cell phone today and can see song artwork and titles as I drive. Sound system in the TDI is much better than the V. TDI is much more easy to park, much better turning radius, easier carefree driving. The V is a great weekend car and loads of fun, just not very practical in the real world.
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    Re: Might Have to Sell Vagon for a More Fuel Efficient (But Fast!) DD Vehicle

    I think you've come up with the right answer. In the end, you'll be driving the V which you love, instead of something else, wishing you were in a V. Let the other guys cater to their rational practical side driving some econobox.

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    Re: Might Have to Sell Vagon for a More Fuel Efficient (But Fast!) DD Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Jinx View Post
    Does the eight year old have to sit in the back? Because otherwise the wicked fast fuel efficient winter-tire-equippable affordably maintained car you're looking for is called the Corvette.
    My 06 LS2 easily returned 30 MPG in real world driving and my 07 Z06 easily returned 26 MPG in real world driving (all hand calculated). There's your cake and eating it too. And there are so many pre-owned "hangar queens" out there being dumped for the C7 one could walk into a nice 11/12/13 C6 for $40K, hell a brand new C7 lists for $51,900.
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    My '04 V would get 25mpg all day long on the highway. 27-28 if I really tried...

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    Re: Might Have to Sell Vagon for a More Fuel Efficient (But Fast!) DD Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by 1997BlackETC View Post
    3000 miles a month in a V is nearly 1000 bucks in a month in gas, ask me how I know why? In my TDI it's 350 a month in diesel. Soooo, $650 savings a month in fuel costs is $7800.00 per year, plus I keep the V in nice shape and not all beat up as a daily driver like dings in the rims, pitted front end etc. It costs a grand a year to insure my TDI. This does not even count the super high tire replacement costs of the V, the tires on the TDI will go 50,000 miles and are cheap. I really like the TDI, comfortable and the bluetooth audio is great, just put a holder on the dash for my Galaxy cell phone today and can see song artwork and titles as I drive. Sound system in the TDI is much better than the V. TDI is much more easy to park, much better turning radius, easier carefree driving. The V is a great weekend car and loads of fun, just not very practical in the real world.
    Yeah, I hear you. But not sure it is quite that bad, depending on where and how you drive. If mostly highway, 3000 miles/month at 19MPG is 157 gallons, or $630 at $4/gallon. In the TDI, 3000 miles/month at 40MPG is 75 gallons, or $300 at $4/gallon. So maybe $350/month extra in fuel. Unleaded premium and diesel vary but are usually close to the same price. The OP would have about $250 difference at about 2000 miles/month. You might be able to coax a few more MPG out of the V on the highway if driven nicely.

    Now, we are comparing apples and oranges though - one of the highest MPG commuter cars against one of the lowest MPG performance sedans. In my mind, that fuel premium is well justified for what you get in the vehicle. It is hard to swallow the extra expense, but if you compare against a more similar vehicle like AMG C/E-class or M3/M5 it isn't as bad. Fuel cost is dwarfed by depreciation in any of these examples anyway, and the V's lower cost of entry (relative to AMG and M cars) helps it in that comparison. Gotta pay to play though and those horses are thirsty.

    I just did a quick scan at Tire Rack and found some tires for the V that are not any more than decent tires for my VW, if you are willing to consider something different than Michelin. Also, keep in mind that VW wants a $1000+ timing belt at 130k miles, $500+ DSG fluid changes every 40k. Don't get me wrong, the VW TDI is a good car, heck I bought one. Very comfortable, large, and insane MPG, just a little boring for my taste. Part of my thinking is also that the V wagon is probably the last manual transmission, (very) high performance wagon that we'll see here in the US. I'd love an AMG E estate, but wow those are expensive and still no manual transmission.

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    Re: Might Have to Sell Vagon for a More Fuel Efficient (But Fast!) DD Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneCrab View Post
    Yeah, I hear you. But not sure it is quite that bad, depending on where and how you drive. If mostly highway, 3000 miles/month at 19MPG is 157 gallons, or $630 at $4/gallon. In the TDI, 3000 miles/month at 40MPG is 75 gallons, or $300 at $4/gallon. So maybe $350/month extra in fuel. Unleaded premium and diesel vary but are usually close to the same price. The OP would have about $250 difference at about 2000 miles/month. You might be able to coax a few more MPG out of the V on the highway if driven nicely.

    Now, we are comparing apples and oranges though - one of the highest MPG commuter cars against one of the lowest MPG performance sedans. In my mind, that fuel premium is well justified for what you get in the vehicle. It is hard to swallow the extra expense, but if you compare against a more similar vehicle like AMG C/E-class or M3/M5 it isn't as bad. Fuel cost is dwarfed by depreciation in any of these examples anyway, and the V's lower cost of entry (relative to AMG and M cars) helps it in that comparison. Gotta pay to play though and those horses are thirsty.

    I just did a quick scan at Tire Rack and found some tires for the V that are not any more than decent tires for my VW, if you are willing to consider something different than Michelin. Also, keep in mind that VW wants a $1000+ timing belt at 130k miles, $500+ DSG fluid changes every 40k. Don't get me wrong, the VW TDI is a good car, heck I bought one. Very comfortable, large, and insane MPG, just a little boring for my taste. Part of my thinking is also that the V wagon is probably the last manual transmission, (very) high performance wagon that we'll see here in the US. I'd love an AMG E estate, but wow those are expensive and still no manual transmission.
    Exactly.

    When people try to justify these amazing cost savings, they constantly go worst case scenario for the V and best case scenario for the efficient car. The V's highway mpg will be about 1/2 of the VW. Diesel is more expensive. I bought Hankook V12 evos, installed, for under $900. Brake pads will last as long, or close.

    I've got no problems with people looking for more fuel efficient alternatives when DD'n their cars. But be accurate.
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    Re: Might Have to Sell Vagon for a More Fuel Efficient (But Fast!) DD Vehicle

    One consideration I had too was my Handcycle will fit in the back of the Jetta Wagon, but not the V Wagon, there is just not enough height as the roofline is low.

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    Re: Might Have to Sell Vagon for a More Fuel Efficient (But Fast!) DD Vehicle

    10% city and 90% HW and you're only getting 14.8mpg? Are you averaging 110mph?

    You can easily get 20mpg out of the caddy on the highway.

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    Re: Might Have to Sell Vagon for a More Fuel Efficient (But Fast!) DD Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris CTS V Wagon View Post
    10% city and 90% HW and you're only getting 14.8mpg? Are you averaging 110mph?

    You can easily get 20mpg out of the caddy on the highway.
    Yeah, this.

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    Re: Might Have to Sell Vagon for a More Fuel Efficient (But Fast!) DD Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris CTS V Wagon View Post
    10% city and 90% HW and you're only getting 14.8mpg? Are you averaging 110mph?

    You can easily get 20mpg out of the caddy on the highway.
    I get in the low 15 mpg range, with 70% highway/30% city... Maybe you can get 20+ driving across the country on I-80.

    As far as this whole mpg thing, you can really cut gas costs if you don't drive the V at all. And Ownership costs really drop if you just don't buy it in the first place.

    Life is too short to drive sucky cars. The MORE miles I drive, the MORE I can justify having a great car like the V. Think of it like this, if you had to watch TV for 4 hours a day, would you want a 13" b/w TV or a 65" HD LED TV?

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    Re: Might Have to Sell Vagon for a More Fuel Efficient (But Fast!) DD Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by cdog533 View Post
    I get in the low 15 mpg range, with 70% highway/30% city... Maybe you can get 20+ driving across the country on I-80.

    As far as this whole mpg thing, you can really cut gas costs if you don't drive the V at all. And Ownership costs really drop if you just don't buy it in the first place.

    Life is too short to drive sucky cars. The MORE miles I drive, the MORE I can justify having a great car like the V. Think of it like this, if you had to watch TV for 4 hours a day, would you want a 13" b/w TV or a 65" HD LED TV?
    If your post is directed at me you're preaching to the choir. I won't even buy a winter beater here in Canada, I drive my new 2012 V wagon year round through all weather.

    I just don't know how he's getting an average of 14.8mpg driving 90% highway. I'm 95% city and 5% highway and manage 15.5mpg average over 10K km.

    Instant fuel economy on the highway at 75mph is still 18-19mpg. (I'm a six speed manual so maybe that makes a big difference) I'm by no means a light foot either.

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    Re: Might Have to Sell Vagon for a More Fuel Efficient (But Fast!) DD Vehicle

    Stick with a gm 4cyl my second car is a Saturn ion redline I know they don't make them any more but you could get your hands on a new turbocharged ss cobalt and that would be fun and get good mileage. The old cobalt and Saturn are supercharged but the new cobalt is a turbo D.I. and has much more output. I average 25 city and 31 hwy, the new ones might be different. They're in the mid-teens for prices. Good luck! Btw I do about 2500 miles per month for work commuting so the V only sees a small fraction of that.

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    Re: Might Have to Sell Vagon for a More Fuel Efficient (But Fast!) DD Vehicle

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    Get yourself a second Caddy...a VW Caddy. All the usefulness of a pickup truck but the fuel efficiency of a car. See mine in the background behind my Vagon!

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    Re: Might Have to Sell Vagon for a More Fuel Efficient (But Fast!) DD Vehicle

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    Re: Might Have to Sell Vagon for a More Fuel Efficient (But Fast!) DD Vehicle

    Looks like a VW Jetta wagon in the garage too, VW's Rock!!!. Nice looking V wagon, love the color combo with yellow calipers.

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