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2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V General Discussion Discussion, No Warranty On Vehicle in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009-2014; Originally Posted by DavidPR Sorry, but that would be incorrect. I personally spoke to Monticello Motor club. Employees can't even ...
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    Re: No Warranty On Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidPR
    Sorry, but that would be incorrect. I personally spoke to Monticello Motor club. Employees can't even drive the cars out of the club. Their registration forbids street use as long as the club owns them.
    Right, you got it...
    I'm sure you personally "spoke" to Monticello from Iowa and they gave you their whole business model right there over the phone.
    Out here in NY we have things called "dealer plates" that you can stick on any car and drive. Registered or not.

    Just for good measure, here's a picture of an actual car from the track. Look at the lower left hand corner of the windshield. That is none other than a NYS DMV Registration sticker and NYS Inspection sticker.



    My post from a thread back in JULY 2011:

    "Just a quick FYI, because I just asked. The higher mileage cars were employee take home cars. Some guys lived up to 75 miles away. It would be mostly highway as well. The Red and Black manuals were instructor cars...
    20-30k range. The really low milage cars were the actual track cars. Also they all had complete brake systems replaced as per one of the guys. Also pricewise the track was able to buy them back for about 37k, if it helps for negotiations"


    I've got no need to argue. Don't care 1 way or the other.
    I've been to the track, raced at the track, won at the track. I know the owners, members, instructors, workers, etc. You can believe your version and I'll believe my version...
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    Re: No Warranty On Vehicle

    Cadillacs usually have a 4 year or 50K miles warranty and after it expires you can extend it. But if you are wondering about some of the reasons why manufacturer's warranty could have been voided here is a good article to read. http://warrantyheadquarters.com/blog...-car-warranty/ Also, if you search on edmunds, I think they have a list of what voids the manufacturer's warranty.

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    Most of the 2009's all have expired warranties by now. I mean 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012....and since the first year cars sold so fast, it was rare to find a leftover. Unlike now, where you could probably find a new 2012 still on a lot someplace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevated
    Most of the 2009's all have expired warranties by now. I mean 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012....and since the first year cars sold so fast, it was rare to find a leftover. Unlike now, where you could probably find a new 2012 still on a lot someplace.
    I've only got until December left on the power train. B2B long gone. Thank you, GMPP.

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    Re: No Warranty On Vehicle

    Damn 37k wish someone could find me a black coupe in 6spd right now raced or not I would pay 37k.....

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    Re: No Warranty On Vehicle

    did you check for the diff cooler?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junior1 View Post
    OK, now for the real answers.
    As I have stated numerous times in many threads. Most of the higher mileage MMC cars were employee take home cars. It was the lower mileaged cars that were ones with track only duty.
    They were all serviced regularly and had complete brake system replacements before they went back into circulation but all had warranty blocks.
    There was 2 programs up there, the "experience" which was similar to a V Lab day so there isn't much abuse. And the "school" was really nothing more than a glorified DE event for most with braking exercises and hot laps.

    I know a bunch of people from there including the instructors and track workers. Don't think there is much to worry about.
    1 unit had blown an engine but pretty sure it went back to GM. There was another 2, 1 coupe and 1 sedan that the instructors hit on track playing around (I was in the coupe right siding). The coupe had right rear quarter damage and the sedan had left front damage.

    As for the disclosure and warranty block thats up to you and the seller...
    Do you know who I can get in contact about buyine one of these cars. I will be voiding the warranty anyway and do not care.

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    Re: No Warranty On Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Junior1 View Post
    Right, you got it...
    I'm sure you personally "spoke" to Monticello from Iowa and they gave you their whole business model right there over the phone.
    Out here in NY we have things called "dealer plates" that you can stick on any car and drive. Registered or not.

    Just for good measure, here's a picture of an actual car from the track. Look at the lower left hand corner of the windshield. That is none other than a NYS DMV Registration sticker and NYS Inspection sticker.



    My post from a thread back in JULY 2011:

    "Just a quick FYI, because I just asked. The higher mileage cars were employee take home cars. Some guys lived up to 75 miles away. It would be mostly highway as well. The Red and Black manuals were instructor cars...
    20-30k range. The really low milage cars were the actual track cars. Also they all had complete brake systems replaced as per one of the guys. Also pricewise the track was able to buy them back for about 37k, if it helps for negotiations"


    I've got no need to argue. Don't care 1 way or the other.
    I've been to the track, raced at the track, won at the track. I know the owners, members, instructors, workers, etc. You can believe your version and I'll believe my version...
    I can only told you what they told me on the phone. I asked them if what you said was true and they said no. I have no way of knowing who's right or who's wrong, and frankly, at this point, I don't care, since I ended up not buying the Monticello car.

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    Re: No Warranty On Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by k3silk View Post
    Do you know who I can get in contact about buyine one of these cars. I will be voiding the warranty anyway and do not care.
    I don't have the cars. They are not mine and I don't have any affiliation with the cars or the track.
    I knew about the cars because I asked for a few people on the forums while I was at the track a couple of years ago.
    The track doesn't sell the cars, they are sold by a leasing company or dealer once they are given back or they end up at auctions.
    The track supposedly gets new cars every 2 years so the best bet is to search on the internet or auction sites.
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    Re: No Warranty On Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by EDDIE80 View Post
    Anyone in the DC area have a mechanic in mind?
    If nobody has responded to this inquiry, Lindsay Cadillac in Alexandria has built a reputation as "the" V specialists in the mid-atlantic. James, the service manager (I assume that he is still there, though I have not had any service done for a while) is or was a V owner and came to several track events.

    Cheers.

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    Re: No Warranty On Vehicle

    What model year V's were used by the auto group? Was it only in 09? How would a potential V owner know if the car has an existing warranty or not? Where would I check?

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    Re: No Warranty On Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by sshu View Post
    What model year V's were used by the auto group? Was it only in 09? How would a potential V owner know if the car has an existing warranty or not? Where would I check?
    Regarding the warranty take your VIN number to any GM dealer and they should be able to tell you if it has a warranty block or not.
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    Re: No Warranty On Vehicle

    There should be another influx of these cars, from what I hear they got rid of the whole fleet and are moving to another manufacturer.
    Just do some homework, I heard they weren't maintained as well as the first batch...
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    Re: No Warranty On Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Junior1 View Post
    Just do some homework, I heard they weren't maintained as well as the first batch...
    For real? Please enlighten us about how/why MMC would chose to not maintain these vehicles? Endangering their customers and opening themselves up to lawsuits... I'm very curious about why they would maintain the first batch, but say f*#k it to the second...

    This thread is filled with misinformation and hearsay.

    Lets stick to the facts for the benefit of everyone....
    1. It is widely known that M&M registered cars were part of their V driving experience.
    2. These cars were sold as a bulk order w/o warranties as a business-to-business transaction, at a discount.
    3. It is 100% legal to register these vehicle's and drive them on public roads in NY, regardless of who owns them.
    4. Seems more likely than not that some of them were used by members or instructors of the club as personal cars to ferry them to/from the track in addition to being part of the driving school.

    5. The majority of them are being turned over by MMC and brought into the used market now. It seems that MMC is offloading them at auctions because that's easy and fast. When an unsuspecting dealer buys the car they're probably are not aware of its past and will sell it as such. It's the responsibility of the buyer to do his homework. We as a community will only help ourselves by letting potential owners know of the probable past of these cars so that the future owners don't get a sour experience days into owning their dream car.

    There is nothing wrong with buying a V that did track duty. But the buyer needs to be aware of that before he enters negotiations. The warranty issue is kind of a mute point because as it's been pointed out, 09's will be out of warranty by years end. But owning a car that did 20k hard miles vs a car that did 50k commuter miles is something a buyer should know. One of them will likely have a shorter lifespan.

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