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2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V General Discussion Discussion, 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009-2014; If the cars mags pick something over BMW (like a Caddy), we all know they get froze out by them ...
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    Re: 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already

    If the cars mags pick something over BMW (like a Caddy), we all know they get froze out by them and don't get cars to drive anymore. I think they picked the new M5 over the V just because of the Nav or something.....so yes, its up to the car mags and the guys that write for them to find "something"....to pick a brand new Euro car over a 4 year old AmeriKan design.

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    Re: 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already

    Quote Originally Posted by gjnockie View Post
    Little things do count. This is one of the reasons why they filed for Bankruptcy in the first place IMHO.
    I think the obscene wage and benefit demands of the UAW is why they filed for BK. Not because of poor car quality. However, I do think the Cimmaron kinda sucked.

    The UAW, along with the government, turned GM into a giant health insurance/retirement machine that incidentally makes cars...

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    Re: 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already

    Quote Originally Posted by cdog533 View Post
    I think the obscene wage and benefit demands of the UAW is why they filed for BK. Not because of poor car quality. However, I do think the Cimmaron kinda sucked.

    The UAW, along with the government, turned GM into a giant health insurance/retirement machine that incidentally makes cars...
    How does that compare to Germany, I wonder?
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    Re: 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already

    Are you F'n kidding me? The reason GM is bankrupt, as are bascailly every other American car maker is retirement pensions.

    You're telling me a company can afford to pay someone not working $50,000+ per year. Give me a freaking break. Its that garbage that is bankrupting the goverment as well.

    The world needs something to hate on the US. It used to be the cars. We never got over that stigma even though today our cars are as good as anyones. I don't know about you, but I don't remember Datsun, and some of the early toyota cars NOT be piece of shit cars just like AMC, Eagle, Fords etc at the time. Even the BMW in the 1970s what pretty much a tin can. All cars have come a long way. Car manufacturers in other countries don't have to pay insane wages and benifits, and with the lopsided trade agreements have an edge. I am not an import hater however, the foreign makers with factories on US soil employ a lot of people and make good cars.
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    The buying public is about 10 years behind on actual quality of product. A lot of crap in the 90s and that influenced the buying public even though the 2000s were markedly improvement...

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    Re: 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already

    Car manufacturers in other countries don't have to pay insane wages and benifits
    Actually they do....Audi, BMW, and Mercedes pay quite well with benefits, retirements, and vacations. But they train them starting in high school on a career path for the auto industry. Plus they care about the community and the people, in the US hedge fund types only care about themselves and the Boards that suck up to them.

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    Re: 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already

    Quote Originally Posted by DCV View Post
    Actually they do....Audi, BMW, and Mercedes pay quite well with benefits, retirements, and vacations. But they train them starting in high school on a career path for the auto industry. Plus they care about the community and the people, in the US hedge fund types only care about themselves and the Boards that suck up to them.
    The German worker also has pride in his job, and his company. The UAW and members, despite the mewlings of the workers, has no such ingrained work ethic and pride.

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    Re: 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already

    Prejudice much?

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    Re: 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already

    Quote Originally Posted by simgolfer View Post
    Having owned Japanese, German, and now an American car, no discernable difference in quality or lack thereof.
    Totally agree....

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    Re: 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already

    I don't want my car company to care about its community. I want them to make money. I want to live in a free market, not a socialist utopia where the assets and public image are owned and determined by the goverment. Europe is not a good example, they are not exactly in a finacial paradise right now either.

    I agree, all auto companies have their good and bad cars.
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    I have had very little luck with all my new top end cars. My VW Toureg was one of the worst cars I have ever owned. So far I like my V coupe the best. And by pictures alone on this forum the caddy might not have the better materials but it sure does look the best IMHO.

    My buddy has an M6. We have raced and rode in each other's car. The caddy is faster and handles better. Both of us feel the interiors are both awsome. Two door for two door the caddy has a better ride and more useful room however. Quality for quality in the interior is a very minor point considering the the $30, 000 difference in price. Thus the Caddy wins by $30, 000.

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    Re: 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already

    I just got a brand new V last weekend and love it! However, I am incredibly disappointed at the lack of quality in this car compared to my prior cars, G37S and a 335i.

    First, my rear windows do no go Auto Up. I tried programming them as the book and forums say with no avail yet they go Auto Down no problem. My right rear door does not open from the inside even after switching the child lock off. I even turned it to the on position in case something was reversed, still didn't work. Rain sensing wipers do not work even though what I read says they should. And finally there is a major clicking noise coming from the front driver wheel area which is very concerning.

    I have an appointment with the dealer first thing tomorrow morning about all of this, but I have to say, my first american car has been a handful of problems and it's what lots of people tell me that I shouldn't buy american because of the quality. That said, when I step on the gas, I love this car and everything else is a moot point! I guess that's why you buy these cars, for the fun of driving and not a luxury car.

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    Re: 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already

    Sorry to hear about your initial frustrations.

    I notice the manual says (emphasis added) "if the vehicle battery has been recharged, disconnected or not working, the front power windows will need to be reprogrammed for the express-up feature to work." Are the rear windows definitely supposed to have express-up? I know the previous section doesn't say "front" but it seems odd that only the front windows would need to be programmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinx
    Are the rear windows definitely supposed to have express-up?
    Nope. Not to my knowledge. Mine don't auto-up, just fronts.

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    Rear windows DO NOT auto-up...

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