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    Re: Why a pop-up nav screen?

    The V in '08 may not have been cutting edge in tech, but it wasn't as bad as you guys claim...
    True that.

    I came out of a 2003 Lincoln, it was one of the first vehicles to have Nav and voice recognition. I wow'd friends for about 18 months when I bought it, and then technology caught up. The V's Nav is vastly better than the Lincoln ever thought of being, and my wife's SRX is better than the V. CUE will be better than all of them, and 18 months from now, someone will have something better than CUE.

    That's just how technology works....
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    Re: Why a pop-up nav screen?

    My screen is usualy up....except for when i have the music down and i can hear the screen rattel thats when i hit the button....I dont really mind the nav system to much...i really just use it to find my way out of traffic when i have to cut through diffrent neighborhoods to get where i wanna go....i think the over all fit/finish is about 8/10....but only because it dosent have streaming BT..and the system dosent understand the words "foe" "semmmm" "won"....but the laughs are priceless as grandpa tries to use the voice dial

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    Re: Why a pop-up nav screen?

    Sorry. Nav sucks, no streaming BT, won't automatically download or store a phone book and contacts, voice recognition sucks, interface is anything but intuitive, Sat display information is dismal.

    As for it being decent technology in 2008, nope. That simply is not the case.

    The 2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee (actually a 2005 design) had the MYGIG which was worlds better than the Caddy's system. MyGig had a 20 GB HD, decent NAV, USB connection good voice recognition, intuitive data entry and touch screen. It was put in Chryco's lower end vehicles in 2008. Even the previous generation REC in the Chrysler's was as good or better than the Caddy system as far as nav function and voice commands.

    Ford's SYNC was introduced in 2008 models. Early versions were glitchy but they worked out the software pretty quick. They were integrated with your smart phone, downloaded all your contact information, read text messages and emails, Streaming BT and USB connection, had application links with phones including Pandora Radio and Garmin navigation.

    It's not really the sound quality in the Caddy that is so poor (I'm no music aficionado. I'd rather listen to the engine). That is not my issue. It's the interface and the compatibility with growing technology.

    Which brings us back to the point of this thread. The problem is compounded with the "popup" design. With my 2006 SRT Charger that had the REC with uconnect (Pre MyGig), when it became too antiquated, because it was a standard double DIN install, I just swapped in a Pioneer AVIC Z110BT which worked with my steerin wheel controls, has streaming BT, down loaded all my phone book and contacts, great nav, hands free, reads virtually every music and video format out there, was able to easily add a backup camera (another thing that my 2010 Caddy is woefully missing) parking assist, links to swap information straight like navigation location from my iPhone to the head unit, seamless hard link to iPhone/iPod including charging and nice big HD and I was able to add a front camera to keep from tearing up the airdam. With the Caddy's "unique" pop up headunit, there is virtually no way to upgrade. I know Auto manufacturers don't build cars with modification in mind, but the ability to upgrade technology is something that should be considered. If you going to design system that can not be swapped out, design a system that can be upgraded.

    I love my V and bought IN SPITE of the the low tech system. It does irritate me some but a quick press on the skinny pedal solves that problem.

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    Re: Why a pop-up nav screen?

    One thing that I wish GM would do is have the ability to update the firmware. I have a Garmin Zumo 665 for my motorcycles, and about every 6 months there is a free firmware update. Just plug it into the laptop, and get the free download.

    Sure would be nice if I could hook my laptop up to the USB in the car, and add/fix/update features. Seems like it would be simple enough to do. I'm no I.T. guru, but if Garmin can do it, it seems like GM could too...

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    Re: Why a pop-up nav screen?

    I suspect that the next generation CTS will have a nav system that is easy to update. We shouldn't need notebook computers, DVD's, etc., to do it. Why couldn't this be done using OnStar or some "cloud" technology while the car is running? Personally, I'm glad that Cadillac spent most of its time and money on the great engine, manual transmission, suspension and brakes in the V. Be patient, the technology will come.

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    Re: Why a pop-up nav screen?

    Do you realize how costly it would be to transmit the map updates to millions of cars? Cell phone companies don't even want to send firmware updates to android phones because of the costs associated.

    It's just not financially viable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fltri
    one thing that i wish gm would do is have the ability to update the firmware. I have a garmin zumo 665 for my motorcycles, and about every 6 months there is a free firmware update. Just plug it into the laptop, and get the free download.

    Sure would be nice if i could hook my laptop up to the usb in the car, and add/fix/update features. Seems like it would be simple enough to do. I'm no i.t. Guru, but if garmin can do it, it seems like gm could too...
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    Re: Why a pop-up nav screen?

    The NAV system was considered state of the art in 2007, especially with offering traffic integration and weather, as well as the hard drive and ability to read DVDs and DVD audio. Back then, the iPhone was just released, and Android phones weren't even available yet. Portable MP3 players were far less popular than they are now, in any form. Most people didn't have BlueTooth phones, and it was just becoming available in higher end cars. The Germans were notorious for charging a lot extra for each feature that was standard on the CTS, like XM, USB, and BT, or even the availability of an OnStar-like service. The initial reviews of the '08 CTS were very enthusiastic for the NAV system, especially compared to the German and English competition. Was it perfect? No, partly because it uses MapQuest for the routing. I noted some of the same strange routes and instructions when looking up directions on the computer. Remember, GoogleMaps was quite young then, too. Since automakers generally don't update their technology until a model is completely revised, it is not surprising that five years on, the system in the CTS series is now practically an antique. The magazine reviewers generally don't comment on it though, unlike the negative reviews of the prehistoric system in the Corvette, for instance. It also is considered way better than Ford's SYNC, which many reviewers, and apparently most consumers, can't figure out how to use. BMW's iDrive was so terrible that BMW was forced to do a mid model update to placate the critics. I personally think even their latest version is too complex for the routine tasks it is asked to perform.

    Seeing what Cadillac is soon offering with CUE on the ATS and the XTS, I think it is clear that the next CTS will again have a state of the art infotainment system. It's part of the usual cycle of progress.

    I think the bigger question is why these systems aren't kept more up-to-date? After all, we all update our computers, and even our smartphones, with newer or updated software. Since it's just software, it should be easy to keep these systems closer to the state of the art, as long as it's compatible with the hardware. Even if newer software would require a better processor, would that be so difficult to engineer? Laptop manufacturers do it every few months, and the prices continue to drop, so why can't the automakers? Whether it requires updated hardware, or just software, it would help keep owners of pricey cars more satisfied with their purchases, especially as a model ages. I, for one, would also be willing to pay for a software update, as we already have to do to update the maps. I bet more people would pay for updates if new features were offered, or if features were significantly upgraded. I would even consider paying for a hardware update, such as for a faster processor and/or more memory, if it was relatively easy to do, and wasn't outrageously priced.

    Other manufacturers are not doing this, either. I think it would be great if Cadillac and GM took some leadership in this instance, and I bet it would lead to increased sales and profit, with minimal added cost.

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    Re: Why a pop-up nav screen?

    Wow - lots of interesting debate here. My original question was simply about the choice of a screen that pops up using a servo motor of some sort versus a fixed mount, all other factors being equal...but everyone has really taken the discussion to the next level. Very informative banter going on and definitely beyond what I anticipated by putting the question out there!

    One of the upgrades on my list is going to be to figure out how to get a parking camera in FRONT of the car as well as back, and be able to use the front facing camera to avoid hitting curbs and parking stops. My previous car also had a low front and despite being extra cautious when the car was new, eventually it got tagged...

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    Re: Why a pop-up nav screen?

    Quote Originally Posted by marktanner View Post
    The NAV system was considered state of the art in 2007, especially with offering traffic integration and weather, as well as the hard drive and ability to read DVDs and DVD audio. Back then, the iPhone was just released, and Android phones weren't even available yet. Portable MP3 players were far less popular than they are now, in any form. Most people didn't have BlueTooth phones, and it was just becoming available in higher end cars. The Germans were notorious for charging a lot extra for each feature that was standard on the CTS, like XM, USB, and BT, or even the availability of an OnStar-like service. The initial reviews of the '08 CTS were very enthusiastic for the NAV system, especially compared to the German and English competition. Was it perfect? No, partly because it uses MapQuest for the routing. I noted some of the same strange routes and instructions when looking up directions on the computer. Remember, GoogleMaps was quite young then, too. Since automakers generally don't update their technology until a model is completely revised, it is not surprising that five years on, the system in the CTS series is now practically an antique. The magazine reviewers generally don't comment on it though, unlike the negative reviews of the prehistoric system in the Corvette, for instance. It also is considered way better than Ford's SYNC, which many reviewers, and apparently most consumers, can't figure out how to use. BMW's iDrive was so terrible that BMW was forced to do a mid model update to placate the critics. I personally think even their latest version is too complex for the routine tasks it is asked to perform.

    Seeing what Cadillac is soon offering with CUE on the ATS and the XTS, I think it is clear that the next CTS will again have a state of the art infotainment system. It's part of the usual cycle of progress.

    I think the bigger question is why these systems aren't kept more up-to-date? After all, we all update our computers, and even our smartphones, with newer or updated software. Since it's just software, it should be easy to keep these systems closer to the state of the art, as long as it's compatible with the hardware. Even if newer software would require a better processor, would that be so difficult to engineer? Laptop manufacturers do it every few months, and the prices continue to drop, so why can't the automakers? Whether it requires updated hardware, or just software, it would help keep owners of pricey cars more satisfied with their purchases, especially as a model ages. I, for one, would also be willing to pay for a software update, as we already have to do to update the maps. I bet more people would pay for updates if new features were offered, or if features were significantly upgraded. I would even consider paying for a hardware update, such as for a faster processor and/or more memory, if it was relatively easy to do, and wasn't outrageously priced.

    Other manufacturers are not doing this, either. I think it would be great if Cadillac and GM took some leadership in this instance, and I bet it would lead to increased sales and profit, with minimal added cost.
    Completely agree with everything you said. The iPhone wasn't even released when I got my '08 CTS and the only comparable nav system was what Acura had in the TL. The only thing that was lacking is BT integration at the time since GM was trying to push OnStar. Having real time weather and traffic was a pretty big deal along with iPod and USB integration. Even keyless ignition was still a new concept in all but the most fancy of production cars. A lot change over half a decade and at least Cadillac has something that should be a standout in the market with the CUE.

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    Re: Why a pop-up nav screen?

    I keep mine down most of the time. Try this...

    At night, drive around for a while with it up. Then close it. It's like a nice soothing feeling takes over with all that light gone...

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    Re: Why a pop-up nav screen?

    I guess I'm in the minority. I think the pop-up nav screen is neat. I watch it pop-up each and every time I turn the key. I love everything about this car. Had a 2008 CTS without nav and this was such a cool upgrade for me. I'll be ready for CUE soon enough. For my purposes, the tech is fine even though it's dated.

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    I tried driving around with it down today. Id rather have it up. I like a full screen with radio info and maps running.

    My only beef with our nav is an inexplicable one. Why is it the same map at night, only dimmed? A reversing map with black background and white streets would be so much easier to see and easy on the eyes...


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    Re: Why a pop-up nav screen?

    I had the 03 CTS, 04 CTSV, 08 CTS AWD 3.6 DI, and now the 11 V coupe. Enjoyed the prior versions of the CTS and am enjoying the current version. The tech will be updated when the platform is updated. The 2nd generation V is light years ahead in overall refinement than the 1st gen.

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    Re: Why a pop-up nav screen?

    Hmmmmmm, iPhones went on sale in the US in mid 2007. The 3G was on sale by 2008. iPods were the largest selling personal music devise in the world by 2005. Even Chrysler did a mid cycle update of many of their entertainment systems in 2008 from their REC Navigation systems to the MyGig which did take into consideration smart phone integration.

    My point is Gm in general and Cadillac in particular seem to be a bit slower to adapt to on board technology.

    The CUE looks awesome and I am very excited about it. However, as mentioned above, I hope that Cadillac will take into consideration the rapid growth of technology and try and build in some degree of ability to update. Otherwise, use a "conventional" type installation for the entertainment system so it can be upgraded by those that may want to in the future.

    As for the general idea of the "popup" I never drive with it up. It distracts me. Unfortunately, when it is down, it doesn't display much info and, of course, you can't use the nav. I guess that's part of my complaint. I don't like it up but I don't get enough info with it down.

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