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2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V General Discussion Discussion, Haha- Washington Times CTS-V Review in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009-2014; Originally Posted by Pounder Then BMW is going to set the new standard and all others will again start copying. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pounder View Post
    Then BMW is going to set the new standard and all others will again start copying.
    I like the CTS-V for it's price, but nowhere is it close in quality to BMW. But that is why you pay less!!!
    What I also mis in a Cadillac is the tech toys like adaptive cruise control, front sensors and cameras, blind spot monitors etc... But maybe they have a reason not to have them as an option.
    There's a fundamental difference in powertrain philosophy as well, BMW lately seems to like their buzz-bomb motors. The E60's V10 makes no more useful torque or power than my E39's V8 until you get somewhere past 6000RPM. I really want better flexibility than that.

    Some of the toys can be useful, but the Cadillac 'cockpit electronics' are otherwise better than the E60 BMW's. They seem to have made some fixes to the new 7er - more like what Audi's got - to move yet a bit further from iDrive, but we'll see how well it works in daily use.

    As for quality, long-time Bimmerfolks would say that quality peaked with the E32 and E34 and has trended downhill since, and I'd add that interior design peaked with the E38 and E39 and has trended downhill as well. The new 7 looks like an improvement, we'll see where they go with the 5.

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    Re: Haha- Washington Times CTS-V Review

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    BMW lately seems to like their buzz-bomb motors.
    The V10 in the M5/M6 is one of the most advanced motors ever produced. What makes it a "buzz-bomb motor"?

    I know owners with nitrous, making insane power on stock internals with no problems for over 20,000 miles. So I don't know where this is coming from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacOSR View Post
    The V10 in the M5/M6 is one of the most advanced motors ever produced. What makes it a "buzz-bomb motor"?
    I think he was referring to the fact that power comes on very high in the RPM range for many BMW engines, not that it was buzzy (that V10 sounds great btw). Driving a bimmer provides a whole different experience versus driving an LS car with gobs of torque very low in the range. It's a driving preference thing...

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    I know owners with nitrous, making insane power on stock internals with no problems for over 20,000 miles. So I don't know where this is coming from?
    ...on nitrous.

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    Re: Haha- Washington Times CTS-V Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Pounder View Post
    I really don't care but: who is copying who?
    The CTS is trying to achieve the same level of performance, comfort, fun an quality as the M5 offers, which is at the end of it's life cycle and will be replaced in 1-2 years.
    Then BMW is going to set the new standard and all others will again start copying.
    I like the CTS-V for it's price, but nowhere is it close in quality to BMW. But that is why you pay less!!!
    What I also mis in a Cadillac is the tech toys like adaptive cruise control, front sensors and cameras, blind spot monitors etc... But maybe they have a reason not to have them as an option.
    Actually, your wrong. The V2 has surpassed the M5 in every performance category. It's BMW that has a benchmark to shoot for; the CTS-V.

    Have you read recent reviews? For the first time in modern history, they're all saying the V2's materials and fit and finish are equal too, or superior than, the competiton (BMW, Mercedes, Lexus).

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    Re: Haha- Washington Times CTS-V Review

    Spot on, Vrocks.

    All the toys you mentioned, Pounder, such as Adaptive cruise, blind zone alert, front sensors and backup cameras are all available on certain Cadillac models (like the Escalade, DTS and STS). The CTS is Cadillac's entry level car, which means they have to draw a line at some point and put a ceiling on the price. If you're looking for more gadgets like blind zone alert and adaptive cruise, a more expensive model like the STS might be up your alley.
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    Re: Haha- Washington Times CTS-V Review

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    Spot on, Vrocks.

    All the toys you mentioned, Pounder, such as Adaptive cruise, blind zone alert, front sensors and backup cameras are all available on certain Cadillac models (like the Escalade, DTS and STS). The CTS is Cadillac's entry level car, which means they have to draw a line at some point and put a ceiling on the price. If you're looking for more gadgets like blind zone alert and adaptive cruise, a more expensive model like the STS might be up your alley.
    I would just like those options on the CTS-V! But who knows what the 2010 model will bring!

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    Re: Haha- Washington Times CTS-V Review

    Quote Originally Posted by gothicaleigh View Post
    ...on nitrous.

    http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-7809.html

    http://www.asrengineeringinc.com/

    They are also working on a twin turbo for the M5/M6

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