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2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V General Discussion Discussion, MSRP $59,025 ? That's what the Cadillac site suggests in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009-2014; For the record, any V6 CTS offerred at $60k is **EXACTLY** the type of over-pricing that some of us fear. ...
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    Re: MSRP $59,025 ? That's what the Cadillac site suggests

    For the record, any V6 CTS offerred at $60k is **EXACTLY** the type of over-pricing that some of us fear. What objective person under 60 would buy a V6 CTS over an M3 for $60k?

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    Re: MSRP $59,025 ? That's what the Cadillac site suggests

    How about guys who like a smooth, quiet, luxurious, roomy ride from point A to point B, and haven't been on a roller coaster for 20 years?

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    Re: MSRP $59,025 ? That's what the Cadillac site suggests

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpjr View Post
    For the record, any V6 CTS offerred at $60k is **EXACTLY** the type of over-pricing that some of us fear. What objective person under 60 would buy a V6 CTS over an M3 for $60k?
    Well we can't seem to build a car on the site's page for more than 53K. Not sure what the Cadillac site has going on but it wouldn't be the first time some kind of error is there. It is also possible for some reason that price could reflect the upcoming CTS-V, but in the past four years they have never placed V pricing within the same area as the regular models.
    Anyone want to guess how much added price if any the CTS wagon is going to bring to the table since they are going to build it ?

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    Re: MSRP $59,025 ? That's what the Cadillac site suggests

    Pricing is not in the Dealer ordering system yet, nor is it on the GMPricing web site.

    There is also no rebate on the 2009 CTS-V, since none have even been built yet. The 4.9% offer is on V6 CTSs, and only for those who give up the $2,000 Purchase Bonus Cash.
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    Re: MSRP $59,025 ? That's what the Cadillac site suggests

    There goes Tony... Squashing my dreams, bursting the bubble... Seriously, why post on the consumer website and it's not even in the dealer network?

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    Re: MSRP $59,025 ? That's what the Cadillac site suggests

    Think what its like for us here in England, its reported to going to cost £60k, thats $110k!!

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    Re: MSRP $59,025 ? That's what the Cadillac site suggests

    I'm not sure what they're doing with those price "ranges" on the web site- I've never seen them do that before. I will say that I think you guys are getting all excited for nothing, because if you cruise over to the STS page, you'll see it says "$46,725 - $78,305". Next check the V-Series page, and you'll find that the V-Series STS starts at $83,375 (not $78,305), which would seem to shoot down the theory that the max pricing shown in the CTS section reflects the CTS-V's price. The same test works on the XLR - the prices in the XLR section have nothing to do with the V model.

    I have no idea what's afoot at cadillac.com, but I don't think it's what you guys think it is.
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    Re: MSRP $59,025 ? That's what the Cadillac site suggests

    And the voice of reason appears.

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    Re: MSRP $59,025 ? That's what the Cadillac site suggests

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpjr View Post
    For the record, any V6 CTS offerred at $60k is **EXACTLY** the type of over-pricing that some of us fear. What objective person under 60 would buy a V6 CTS over an M3 for $60k?
    Maybe the same person looking for the larger 535i, but who finds out a sexier looking car can be had with a much higher option level for the same price??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadillac Tony View Post
    I have no idea what's afoot at cadillac.com, but I don't think it's what you guys think it is.
    Seems like I saw something similar to this post

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasaero View Post
    Maybe the same person looking for the larger 535i, but who finds out a sexier looking car can be had with a much higher option level for the same price??
    A luxary premium is half componentry, half reputation. It will take multiple successful launches from Cadillac to sway public perception without a price advantage. This goes right back to the STS and XLR being way over-priced.

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    Re: MSRP $59,025 ? That's what the Cadillac site suggests

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpjr View Post
    A luxary premium is half componentry, half reputation. It will take multiple successful launches from Cadillac to sway public perception without a price advantage. This goes right back to the STS and XLR being way over-priced.
    I don't think it's 50/50. I am betting the new CTS could sell better than most 5 series competitors TODAY if it had the same pricing and options available. It's really a better car than the STS in almost everyway. Only missing a V8 and a few options. With the V8 and a few options I am quite certain the CTS could easily outsell everything except maybe the 5-series and E-class. The STS has already outsold all except those two a lot of months since it came out I am sure as it is currently right in the same ballpark as everyone other than those two. Only the GS has a slight advantage at the moment. The M35/45 did better last year, but it was pretty new still then and isn't really priced as high as the rest.

    I would say reputation is more 40% and it isn't even reputation so much as image. Lexus is the only lux company selling it's volume based on reputation. The rest sell according to their image in the marketplace more than anything. MB would have nose dived in sales by now if they were sold on reputation as they soiled their reputation big time over the last decade. They retained their image through it all though. Really MB and BMW hold in this class right now because everything is so close that no particular car really stands out ahead of all the rest. I think if the CTS were upgraded and upcontented for the price bracket of the cars it actually competes with on size that it would stand out in that category enough to get really close to MB and BMW sales numbers on their E and 5. I don't think they would even need a DOHC V8 to make that happen either if they tuned one of the LS engines correctly for the V8 version. Take the savings and apply it to the trim and content of the car from base all the way up. Use real leather, wood, metals, and carbon fibre on the interior and stuff. This sort of thing might happen in a few years also when the BLS or BTS or whatever they end up calling the RWD small caddy comes to the US. My guess is though that they will just narrow the price range of the small car, while starting it at about $30k or just under without increasing the CTS price much from where it is. We'll see I guess.

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    Re: MSRP $59,025 ? That's what the Cadillac site suggests

    [QUOTE=jasaero;1648626]I don't think it's 50/50. I am betting the new CTS could sell better than most 5 series competitors TODAY if it had the same pricing and options available.

    I would say reputation is more 40% and it isn't even reputation so much as image. QUOTE]

    I think we are speaking the same language... whether you call it luxuary or image... it's the intangible part. I would simply argue that the intangible part needs to be less for Caddy than it does Merc, BMW, or Lexus.

    As far as outselling, I think you will be proven right but again the price gets most of the credit. The CTS has been heavily discounted relative to the others I would assume based upon recent promotions.

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    Re: MSRP $59,025 ? That's what the Cadillac site suggests

    I bet theres a room at Cadillac HQ where they just sit and LTAO at us here.

    Amusing doesn't even begin to describe it.

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    Re: MSRP $59,025 ? That's what the Cadillac site suggests

    Quote Originally Posted by Varsity View Post
    I bet theres a room at Cadillac HQ where they just sit and LTAO at us here.

    Amusing doesn't even begin to describe it.
    Unfortunately I seriously doubt anyone at GM is laughing right now

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