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    Question New article for 09 CTS V.... funny numbers?

    Just got the new Automobile mag for Nov and there is an article on the 09 CTS V with a road test.

    6sp manual 4.5 to 60 and 12.8@117
    6sp auto 4.4 to 60 and 12.7@116

    These number are way off the ones from GM...
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    Re: New article for 09 CTS V.... funny numbers?

    Somebody can't drive. These numbers not only conflict with GM's, but also every other mag and web site that has tested it. Car and Driver got a 3.9 in the Auto, so it's definitely driver error. They probably weren't using the No-Lift shift in the Manual or the sport shift mode in the Auto.

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    Re: New article for 09 CTS V.... funny numbers?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Tony Show View Post
    Somebody can't drive. These numbers not only conflict with GM's, but also every other mag and web site that has tested it. Car and Driver got a 3.9 in the Auto, so it's definitely driver error. They probably weren't using the No-Lift shift in the Manual or the sport shift mode in the Auto.

    Thanks Tony, I figure there had to be some kind of answer for those numbers because they are way off...

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    Re: New article for 09 CTS V.... funny numbers?

    Those numbers are pretty bad, but it's not necessarily way off from other test numbers. There were earlier tests with 4.1 to 4.3 0-60 times.

    As for no-lift shifting in the manual times, that's an interesting point. Would it be necessary to use the no-lift shift to make those times? Cuz I certainly don't wanna be no-lift shifting with any sort of regularity, even if I am driving aggressively. I wonder how much no-lift shifting the power train can take, especially in the lower gears. And would it be considered driver abuse? I guess we'll see soon enough.

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    Re: New article for 09 CTS V.... funny numbers?

    The No-Lift shifting will definitely not be considered abuse- it's a feature of the car that will be explained in the owner's manual.

    To incredibly over simplify it, the computer basically uses the Electronic throttle to prevent over-revving when you press the clutch in at high RPMs. By closing it most of the way, the RPMs will hold steady (and even drop slightly) even though you still have the gas pedal boarded. When you engage the next gear and lift the clutch pedal, the computer will return the throttle butterfly to its proper position, basically simulating the act of lifting your foot off the gas and reapplying it.

    The theory behind it is that the end result will actually be faster, as well as less stressful on the powertrain than the driver manually working the throttle between shifts.
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    Re: New article for 09 CTS V.... funny numbers?

    Awesome!

    When I asked the testers/engineers they explained it a bit differently. Sorta more pertaining to the supercharger. They said it had to do with the supercharger maintaining boost, rather than having the valve release the pressure, only to have to build it back up again. So, you could effectively keep your foot mashed on the pedal in between shifts.

    Of course, my immediate question was, "Well, isn't that bad for the transmission?" They were kinda like, "Yea, but..." I wasn't really sure what to make of that. Didn't really make sense to me. I'm guessing they didn't really know what they were sayin? Shrug. I hope so.

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    Re: New article for 09 CTS V.... funny numbers?

    It's no CTS-V, but the new Cobalt SS has been putting up some shocking numbers in recent tests (including the Lightning Lap linked to here in a different thread). Part of the secret? No lift shifting.

    Check out the 1:00 minute mark:

    [youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=urwJVnWHjiI[/youtube]
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    Re: New article for 09 CTS V.... funny numbers?

    [youtube]urwJVnWHjiI[/youtube]

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    Re: New article for 09 CTS V.... funny numbers?

    Haha, make sure to check out the graph-eedee!

    Actually, the garage419 video of the Monticello run with Heinricy has some great no-lift shifting (the missed shift is fun, too). He does a super fast 4-5 no-lift shift.

    Compare Heinricy's lap: http://www.garage419.com/episode/419_20080925 to this guy's: http://www.motivemag.com/video/2008/...st_Drive_1.mov.

    Heinricy goes flat out through turn 1 (right hand kink after the long straight). The other dude lets off - Boo, no balls. He goes deeper into turns and seems much more smoother. Damn near looks like he's out for a pleasant Sunday drive. He's good.

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    Re: New article for 09 CTS V.... funny numbers?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Tony Show View Post
    Somebody can't drive. These numbers not only conflict with GM's, but also every other mag and web site that has tested it. Car and Driver got a 3.9 in the Auto, so it's definitely driver error. They probably weren't using the No-Lift shift in the Manual or the sport shift mode in the Auto.

    C&D has 3.9 and so does R&T, but two mags with exactly the same time as GM seems to indicate that they are using GM's time and didn't actually run that themselves. I could be wrong but that seems very strange... different drivers... different cars... possibly different conditions...etc.

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    Re: New article for 09 CTS V.... funny numbers?

    The latest Nov C&D has the manual pegged at 4.3 sec with a quarter mile of 12.6 @ 116. Both pretty dismal, relatively speaking. So we're seeing a whole lot of variation.

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    Re: New article for 09 CTS V.... funny numbers?

    Why is there a $2000.00 rebate on the 2009 cts-v with no pricing realease yet besides $59,025??

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    Re: New article for 09 CTS V.... funny numbers?

    Forgot to mention that my previous numbers can be found on Cadillac website
    and the region for the rebate is western.

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    Re: New article for 09 CTS V.... funny numbers?

    Quote Originally Posted by atdeneve View Post
    ...the garage419 video of the Monticello run with Heinricy has some great no-lift shifting (the missed shift is fun, too). He does a super fast 4-5 no-lift shift...http://www.garage419.com/episode/419_20080925 to this guy's: http://www.motivemag.com/video/2008/...st_Drive_1.mov.

    Heinricy goes flat out through turn 1 (right hand kink after the long straight). The other dude lets off - Boo, no balls. He goes deeper into turns and seems much more smoother. Damn near looks like he's out for a pleasant Sunday drive. He's good.
    No doubt--and shows he human too! His championships speak for themselves.

    400 lb-ft at idle?! Wow, is that true? That would be more than the M5 makes at its peak! What a beast!

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    Re: New article for 09 CTS V.... funny numbers?

    Don't worry about Automobile mag test numbers, they are always much slower than R&T, C&D, and MT. The review was by their socialist/communist writer Jamie Kitman. Maybe he had something to do with it. Overall, a pretty good review. I get more excited by the day.

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