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2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V General Discussion Discussion, 2009 V in 2008 Car and Driver Lightning Lap in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009-2014; http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...eature?cid=320 I'll let you go through to the link, as to not spoil any of the results. Pretty impressive though ...
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    2009 V in 2008 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

    http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...eature?cid=320

    I'll let you go through to the link, as to not spoil any of the results. Pretty impressive though I must say. It's all at Virginia International Raceway.

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    Re: 2009 V in 2008 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

    Very impressive. Again, it's too bad that the thing is soo heavy. Notice it's weakest point was the Patriot course section. If they ran without that section, the V would've beaten the M and AMG by an even greater margin. Oh how I wish they had this drivetrain in the 1st gen car...

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    Re: 2009 V in 2008 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

    V2 lost to the C63 too? Can't see it on the Crackberry!

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    Re: 2009 V in 2008 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

    Quote Originally Posted by NormV View Post
    V2 lost to the C63 too? Can't see it on the Crackberry!

    Norm
    Lost only to the base Vette in it's price bracket. Was the fastest sedan and fastest car that wasn't an all out sports car by design.

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    Re: 2009 V in 2008 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

    Just noticed th data from the same test at same track and everything last year has the M6. The V2 is 6 seconds faster than the M6 from the year before. The year before times were a bit slower, but the z51 vette was only 2 seconds and some change off this years time with a 36hp deficiency due to LS2-LS3 change. Would have been nice to inclue the M5 or M6 this year just for comparison to the CTS-V2 on same day and same driver and such. Sure that is coming from some article soon enough though.

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    Re: 2009 V in 2008 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

    Here is the list of cars from previous years that the CTS-V2 beats in this particular test.

    Lotus Exige S
    Audi R8
    Porsche 911 Turbo
    Ford Shelby GT500
    Lotus Elise
    Chevrolet Corvette Z51
    Porsche Cayman S
    BMW M6
    BMW 335i Coupe
    Ford Shelby GT500
    Audi RS4
    BMW Z4 M Coupe
    Nissan 350Z Track
    Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR
    Pontiac Solstice GXP
    Mazdaspeed 3
    Dodge Charger SRT8
    Mazda RX-8
    Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged
    Ford Mustang GT
    Mini Cooper S
    Volkswagen GTI
    Honda Civic Si
    Mazda MX-5

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    Re: 2009 V in 2008 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

    Was this full course? Under :20's?

    Guess I'll have to wait until i am on the pc again!

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    Re: 2009 V in 2008 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

    The vid's and time look like full course. 17 turns, 3.3 miles. Most fun I've ever had getting beat by V's in my SRT-8.

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    Re: 2009 V in 2008 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

    They use the 4.2 mile Grand Course. Really, if you look at the data, the V isn't extremely strong in the handling oriented sectors. Still near the top of it's class, but behind the M3 a lot. It's really close even in these more, "time to loose" rather than time to gain sections really though. No matter how you look at it, it's an impressive car on a track.

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    Re: 2009 V in 2008 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

    Quote Originally Posted by jasaero View Post
    They use the 4.2 mile Grand Course. Really, if you look at the data, the V isn't extremely strong in the handling oriented sectors. Still near the top of it's class, but behind the M3 a lot. It's really close even in these more, "time to loose" rather than time to gain sections really though. No matter how you look at it, it's an impressive car on a track.
    Yeah, what V2 owners are wise to do is keep the car on fast, momentum tracks such as VIR, the Glen and Summit Point's Jefferson course. The V2 wouldn't like Summit Point's Shenandoah course as much...

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    Re: 2009 V in 2008 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

    We've expected the V to better most of these cars, but to see some of these names go down excite me:

    M3
    C63
    Elise
    Evo & WRX
    ISF

    This car is no joke. I think comparing it to the ISF shows how far the V has come. ISF is a rookie effort, a fast car, and probably a pretty damn good car; but that's the difference between good and great.

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    Re: 2009 V in 2008 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

    Quote Originally Posted by BigFred View Post
    We've expected the V to better most of these cars, but to see some of these names go down excite me:

    M3
    C63
    Elise
    Evo & WRX
    ISF

    This car is no joke. I think comparing it to the ISF shows how far the V has come. ISF is a rookie effort, a fast car, and probably a pretty damn good car; but that's the difference between good and great.
    Indeed--and in ways that could definitely end in tears. They said the IS-F "down the road in a serious hurry" but then became darty and dramatic, eroding driver confidence, whereas the V had "Remarkable balance, allowing the driver to drift and pivot this big sedan with ease."

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    Re: 2009 V in 2008 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

    Nice!

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    Re: 2009 V in 2008 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

    I guess the grand course shortens the straight after oak tree where the V2 might shine. With 400hp you can see 145+ MPH using the full back stretch. Trukk or V-sam might know better by looking at the data chart.

    Watch the video and guess which heavy car went off in T-10 before oak tree?! D'oh! 4300 lbs baby! T10 is a tricky, off camber, turn with a mix a speed I do know one Porsche GT that wrecked there during a club event.

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    Re: 2009 V in 2008 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

    link is not working

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