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    MT vs AT ... Pros & Cons

    At the risk of this -- no flames, please! -- degenerating into a piston discussion or the M5 is uber better than a V1, V2, or Vx, I'm curious about tranny pros and cons.

    So, what is everybody else feeling about a V2 equipped with the Tremec TR6060 trans vs GM's new 6L90 auto trans?

    I mean, I love rowing a manual, and can't believe I'd even contemplate an auto, but I have to believe the V2/AT combo might hold value better for one, not to mention that it'll probably be the higher volume configuration 2 to 1. The V2/AT will be heftier by 100 lbs ... that's not good. What about the PTM? Is that limited to the AT version? With all that hp, having both hands on the steering wheel while mashing the throttle is a plus for the AT safety-wise ... anything else? Speed? Shift point programability? Fuel economy (for those who care)?

    Another related thought is I fear the MT versions that land at the dealers will be the stripped down version (i.e. without the Recaro seats, BT, Bose digital, etc) while the AT versions will be the only ones with these. Geez, I hope I'm wrong about that.
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    Re: MT vs AT ... Pros & Cons

    I plan on getting a fully loaded Automatic. Yeah, I said it.

    The days of the auto being inferior are over. Just less than a decade ago the automatic 'Vette was a joke (4 spd vs. 6, sluggish shifts, no DSC), but with improved gearing, PTM and real control over the gears (by that, I mean no automatic upshifts unless you tell it to), the automatic is just as good a performer as the manual. Besides, how often are you driving the car at 10/10ths (or even 8/10ths)? Most of my time in my 04 V is cruising to work or the store, and an auto would be nice. With the new features, I can still rip through the gears and downshift for a corner, but only when I want to.

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    Re: MT vs AT ... Pros & Cons

    I'm leaning towards a AT also. I've driven MT's since '85, but with a bad left knee that won't get better I have to think a little different. I agree fully with the points made by Rand and Tony. I will also be honest and admit that I'll do alot better driving an auto versus a manual in a car with this kind of power and I've always wanted paddles.

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    Re: MT vs AT ... Pros & Cons

    I ageren Tony. You don't have to have a manual to have the best driving experience. If there was auto offered in V1 I don't it would have sold as well, following the M5 at the time offering manual only.

    The V2 is going to give a softer delivery for it's passengers resulting in a more refined replacement of the original. I think the auto trans sales will exceed manual for the V2.

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    Re: MT vs AT ... Pros & Cons

    MT sucks with a tennis elbow!

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    Re: MT vs AT ... Pros & Cons

    To each his own. But I don't think anyone should choose the automatic transmission (or any other option) for the reason cited by original poster Rand49er: "I have to believe the V2/AT combo might hold value better for one..."

    I think we should buy our cars for ourselves, not the next owners.

    I remember buying my first new car, a 1966 Barracuda Formula S. I ordered it in dark green, and planned to also order the factory black racing stripes. I wanted my father's blessing -- it was my money, but his approval was important to me. He agreed with all my choices except for the stripes. "It'll hurt the resale value," he warned. So I deleted the stripes. Not long after I traded in the car a couple of years later, I saw it driving down the street sporting black factory-style racing stripes that had been added by the new owner. I had some fun with my dad over that.

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    Re: MT vs AT ... Pros & Cons

    The only release I would go for the MT is because all the time I need the power and I am in 2nd or 3rd on the AT and hate it. If i pull out in front of someone and need first gear it will have to down shift first. If i had the AT I would not be paddle shifting all the time. Just my thought. I would go for MT. It also have more fun with the car over all if I have a MT. I like the AT from a straight line race. It is nice not to have to worry about it. i like Mt from a launch stand point.

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    Re: MT vs AT ... Pros & Cons

    Quote Originally Posted by Clintonwmills View Post
    ... If i pull out in front of someone and need first gear it will have to down shift first. If i had the AT I would not be paddle shifting all the time. ...
    Yeah, a con for the AT.

    Not only do you have to pass through gears to get to the one you want, you better remember which one you're in so you don't muff it.

    I'm still torn, here. The thought of settling deep into that Recaro with both feet and both hands involved ... . I mean, THAT'S what driving is all about, isn't it? As Tony suggests, all else is indeed heresy!

    However, the financial guy in me keeps interjecting the "practicality" and "resale" of an AT (as if those words even have a place here) ... I mean, you can't keep a car forever, can you? Afterall, the market is bigger for an AT ... make no mistake.
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    Re: MT vs AT ... Pros & Cons

    Quote Originally Posted by Clintonwmills View Post
    The only release I would go for the MT is because all the time I need the power and I am in 2nd or 3rd on the AT and hate it. If i pull out in front of someone and need first gear it will have to down shift first. If i had the AT I would not be paddle shifting all the time. Just my thought. I would go for MT. It also have more fun with the car over all if I have a MT. I like the AT from a straight line race. It is nice not to have to worry about it. i like Mt from a launch stand point.
    I would not fret over time of events for human reactions, mechanical, to results with modern day automatics. The AMG SpeedShift skips gears on down shifts if need be. If you were cruising in 3rd or 4th at 25-30 MPH and needed 1st when you punched if it they'll be there faster than the current Tremec can get there. If you know you can just punch it without think about if you can get into first gear or should just go for second the modern day automatics will be gone by then.

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    Re: MT vs AT ... Pros & Cons

    With the possibility of having to commute in Atlanta traffic looming in the near future, I will probably be leaning towards the auto as well.

    Tony, you heard anything on the re-work of the paddles?

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    Re: MT vs AT ... Pros & Cons

    Quote Originally Posted by rand49er View Post
    Yeah, a con for the AT.

    Not only do you have to pass through gears to get to the one you want, you better remember which one you're in so you don't muff it.

    I'm still torn, here. The thought of settling deep into that Recaro with both feet and both hands involved ... . I mean, THAT'S what driving is all about, isn't it? As Tony suggests, all else is indeed heresy!

    However, the financial guy in me keeps interjecting the "practicality" and "resale" of an AT (as if those words even have a place here) ... I mean, you can't keep a car forever, can you? Afterall, the market is bigger for an AT ... make no mistake.
    hey on the recaros, are those an option?? on the commercial it kinda hinted that way..that would suck!

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    Re: MT vs AT ... Pros & Cons

    Quote Originally Posted by HushH View Post
    With the possibility of having to commute in Atlanta traffic looming in the near future, I will probably be leaning towards the auto as well.

    Tony, you heard anything on the re-work of the paddles?
    Nope.

    I had no problem with the shift paddles in the mule I sat in, but apparently they kept getting pressed by accident at the 'Ring, so they're being redesigned. I posted a picture a while back, and here it is again for anyone who missed it. Just to be clear, these were the original setup, which is supposedly being changed for production.

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    Re: MT vs AT ... Pros & Cons

    Yeah, I could see how those might be a problem. Plus they're tiny. You don't want to have feel around for a shift button when you're running through a road course. Hopefully we get something more along the lines of the F1 style shifters:


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    Re: MT vs AT ... Pros & Cons

    AT for me no question.

    I love shifting, but not on a daily driver in traffic... no way. Been there done that.

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    Re: MT vs AT ... Pros & Cons

    I would also order the cTS V with an automatic paddle shifter. I wish it were a DSG rather than a torque convertor automatic but no matter..

    I'd still order this 550hp S/c 6.2 liter four door sports sedan without a manual tranny.

    Can't wait to see this beast on the streets!

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