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2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V General Discussion Discussion, Paddle Shift + Torque Converter? No thanks. in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009-2014; as an owner of the acclaimed DSG dual clutch auto trans in a gti, i'm telling you guys there no ...
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    Re: Paddle Shift + Torque Converter? No thanks.

    as an owner of the acclaimed DSG dual clutch auto trans in a gti, i'm telling you guys there no better experience then having full control of shifting. it's the one of 2 things i truly hate about my car (the other is wrong wheel drive). unless your left foot is barely functioning, get a stick. if you want a car that is comfortable and reasonably quick for daily driving, might i suggest the direct injected 2008 cts with the six speed auto? i think it's a travesty to put a true automatic in a car like the cts-v.

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    Re: Paddle Shift + Torque Converter? No thanks.

    I don't know...the auto im my sts-v is pretty damn good. The manual mode is not bad either.

    I am getting the auto..stick jsut isn't realistic in the traffic I drive in.

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    Re: Paddle Shift + Torque Converter? No thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by OneFastCaddy View Post
    ... i'm telling you guys there no better experience then having full control of shifting. ...
    Well said FastCaddy.

    I'm not sure why the disagreeing slushie lovers feel compelled to post in this thread.

    How suposed enthusiasts can let traffic dictate their choice in transmission is beyond me.

    I have no issues with traffic and manual trans.
    I actually prefer a manual in traffic.
    As long as it's a smooth clutch and resonable effort pedal.

    With so few cars left, that can be purchased with a manual, it just seems a shame people aren't taking advantage of that.
    Especially in a V.

    Suposedly you guys buy a V to be a cut above the norm, yet you opt for the common slushbox.

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    Re: Paddle Shift + Torque Converter? No thanks.

    thats it... we are splitting up the new 09 board for auto owners and manual owners.... They will not be able to view or post in each other's forums (because we all know manuals are WAY better and should not need to share anything with "posers" who drive slushboxes)

    Reed
    (PS. If you think this thread is serious, get a life!)

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    Re: Paddle Shift + Torque Converter? No thanks.

    Ok, time to fess up.
    I too am planning to get the Automatic V






























    in 2059 when I am in my 90's.

    Oh yes, serious and posts on this forum hardly belong in the same sentance.

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    Re: Paddle Shift + Torque Converter? No thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpjr View Post
    I don't understand the premise of your question though, because a stick will always be faster than a true auto in the hands of a good driver. It's as simple as running the car harder in lower gears than the auto will allow, plus quicker shifts if you can drive well. The only real advantage to an auto is 1) straight line performance and even that is 90% driver, and 2)the ability to hold more power than a clutch setup.
    Hmm I have not found that to always be true as shipped from the factory (often true but not always).

    -Final ratio is not always the same
    -Ratio in each individual gear is not the same
    -A high stall speed torque converter can use torque multiplication to put more torque to the wheels (below stall speed) even with the same final
    -Launch control can sometimes work better on an auto than a manual, leading to better acceleration
    -Sometimes an automatic can handle more torque than the manual, leading to detuning of the manual in 1st gear
    -Sometimes the auto causes less wheen hop, leading the OEM to detune the manual in 1st gear to reduce warranty

    These cases are not all that common, but I think a recent example is one of the late or current models of M5 or 5 series BMWs: the auto was a tenth or 2 quicker. You see these situations more with high power cars than run of the mill automobiles.

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    Re: Paddle Shift + Torque Converter? No thanks.

    If/when I buy one, it will probably be the auto version if my current situation is the same it is now. That I'm single (not married) and own only one vehicle that is my daily driver. When I had the CTS-V I twisted my knee at work (left leg) going up the stairs carrying some equipment. It wasn't enough to seek medical help, just enough to be painful for a couple of weeks using it. Then I thought about what my situation would be if I had seriously hurt it. A broken arm or leg would make driving the stick basically impossible and I would have to rent an auto until I regained use of it. Yeah I could buy a 2nd beater that's an auto, but realistically it would just sit around as I would want to drive the V. So that money spent would be wasted and I'd be paying additional insurance for something never driven. Better to just save that cash for a rental if needed.

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    Re: Paddle Shift + Torque Converter? No thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by HiTechRV View Post
    These cases are not all that common, but I think a recent example is one of the late or current models of M5 or 5 series BMWs: the auto was a tenth or 2 quicker. You see these situations more with high power cars than run of the mill automobiles.
    You must keep in mind that the M5 is a SMG, not a slushbox.
    I think everyone agrees that an SMG is unbeatable, as high level racing has already converted.

    SMG has some rough street characteristics though.
    The technology will improve though.

    I never saw any performance comparisons on the 2 versions of M5 trans.
    I do know that M5 customers demanded the return of a Manual and BMW made it so, just recently.
    If you have an M5 SMG vs Manual comparo, that would be interesting.

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    Re: Paddle Shift + Torque Converter? No thanks.

    I read it in Car and Driver or Motor Trend when the manual M5 was first reviewed. Seems it was somewhere around 2 tenths slower, detuned due to a wheel hop issue with the manual. I may have actually posted about it in the 2004-2007 V area as a matter of fact. I remember being happy GM did not wimp out and detune because of wheel hop.

    The latest Motor Trend:

    "The final-drive ratio of the automatic cars has been tweaked to ensure comparable performance to the manual versions, and the paddle-shift manual mode allows drivers to hold gears until the engine is bouncing off the rev limiter."

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