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[Bender]

Originally Posted by ddawson

Thanks for your service. Your car is gorgeous.

+1 on both counts

[Southern]

Originally Posted by 08CTS

Thanks Southern. Did the swirls ever "come back" on the SC?

Well, not really. Of course they would have if I had let it go.......
Remember the Z5 hides but does not eliminate.

But I am the sort who will throw a coat on every now and then,so no, they never reappeared.



Nice Job mmg!!
(Don't you kiddies try this at home)

[Bender]

Originally Posted by Southern

Nice Job mmg!!
(Don't you kiddies try this at home)

Why, what could possibly go wrong with an orbital polisher?!?

[NJRonbo]

Do you really need to add the flash accelerator to this product?

[LEOinDC]

Originally Posted by mgm2003

Shoot me a PM if you need a reference for a detailer.

Here's a hammered Buick that I detailed last year using Z-PC via rotary polisher, and topped with Z5 and Clear Seal.

That's very convincing proof - I will give it a go.

[Southern]

Originally Posted by Bender

Why, what could possibly go wrong with an orbital polisher?!?

1- He didn't use an orbital. He used a rotary.

2- And besides, anybody can screw up an orbital if you are doing more than buffing.
What type of pad do you use?
What type of material?
Bet that most don't know the answer to that.
Wrong pad=more swirls.
Wrong material=more swirls.

Remember he was removing swirls. He was using a mildly agressive material, and he didn't say what kind of pad.

It's not like he was buffing out a wax. He was cutting the paint on purpose.
Anytime an amatuer cuts paint, there is a high probablilty that damage will be done.
Period.

[mgm2003]

Originally Posted by Southern

1- He didn't use an orbital. He used a rotary.

2- And besides, anybody can screw up an orbital if you are doing more than buffing.
What type of pad do you use?
What type of material?
Bet that most don't know the answer to that.
Wrong pad=more swirls.
Wrong material=more swirls.

Remember he was removing swirls. He was using a mildly agressive material, and he didn't say what kind of pad.

It's not like he was buffing out a wax. He was cutting the paint on purpose.
Anytime an amateur cuts paint, there is a high probability that damage will be done.
Period.

Good advice. If you don't have experience using a machine for paint correction, it's best to pick up a trashed panel from the junk yard during the learning process. The last thing you want to do is remove your clear and burn paint -or worse.

Here are the paint correction steps used on the Buick:
Polish:
Zaino Z-PC via Metabo Rotary:
@ 1800 via LC synthetic wool
@ 1500 via CCS green pad
@ 1200 via LC finishing pad

The above steps cleared out the horrendous holograms from a local shop, as well as the swirls & scratches and left a mirror finish. When I finished I had 5+ mils paint uniform across the entire vehicle (i.e. I removed very little clear). Most new vehicles have between 5 1/2 and 6 mils of paint thickness.

I've been detailing vehicles for several years, and the Zaino line up is my preference. I taught the owner of the Buick how to properly wash/dry the vehicle, and it held that 'just detailed' look for 6+ months. Unfortunately there are no miracle products that last a year or longer (as many claim). In my experience Zaino lasts the longest (i.e. locks in that just detailed look for months). No other product that I've ever used comes close.

[NJRonbo]

mgm2003,

My question got lost above.

Do you really need to add the flash accelerator to this product?

[NJRonbo]

...and I think I am just going to buy the Z-2 Pro. I'm buying a lot of
products from Griot's Garage as well and spending $72 for a Zaino triple
kit is just too much.

I take it the Z-2 Pro is all I will need? I also just have to learn if I
must buy the flash accelerator as well.

Thanks for all the great advice you have provided this thread with.

[mgm2003]

Originally Posted by NJRonbo

...and I think I am just going to buy the Z-2 Pro. I'm buying a lot of
products from Griot's Garage as well and spending $72 for a Zaino triple
kit is just too much.

I take it the Z-2 Pro is all I will need? I also just have to learn if I
must buy the flash accelerator as well.

Thanks for all the great advice you have provided this thread with.

If you want to opt. for Z2 Pro as a 'stand alone' then you should pick up zfx, or optionally you can use ZAIO as your base. ZAIO would be my choice hands down because it replaces zfx, and it also cleans & glosses your paint, works great on your wheels, and is very effective at repelling water off your windshield when driving in the rain.

If you decide to use Z2 Pro as a 'stand alone' without zfx or ZAIO, you'll get decent looking results, but durability will suffer. It's like baking a cake and using water in place of the eggs. It's still going to look like a cake, it's just not going to taste the same. I would actually recommend Z5 over Z2because it's easier to apply and looks richer on dark finishes vs. Z2.

Remember to put on a very thin coat--this is the key to achieving best results. 1/2 oz or less should cover every external surface on your car. Most people apply it way to thick which increases dry time, and can make removal a chore. I like to mist my applicator pad with a few squirts of Z6 QD spray, and 1 mist of Z6 per panel to help thin it out and apply a super thin layer.

The Zaino triplets kit is really the way to go. You'll get 30+ applications from Clear Seal, which should last you several years. Zaino uses a flat shipping rate (8.95), so it makes sense to stock up and save on shipping costs.

Good luck.

[NJRonbo]

This is making my head spin. This is why I wanted to go REJEX instead because it's one product
instead of wading through all these different "Z" formulas that may need additional accelerators
mixed into it.

....but you know what? Everybody raves about Zaino so I'll go through the chore of trying
to sort this all out.

You know I have crystal red. You are recommending Z5 over Z2? I will buy the
ZFX in addition just because you feel it adds durability. I just hope it is easy top figure out
how to mix it.

Now this is where my head starts spinning even more...

The problem in going with the triple pack is that it's $72 and doesn't even include
the Z5 or the ZFX accelerator.

What's better? Spending less for just the Z5 and the ZFX and getting a great wax/shine
or going with the triplet kit and using the AIO. I don't know how that compares in results.

[08CTS]

Originally Posted by NJRonbo

This is making my head spin. This is why I wanted to go REJEX instead because it's one product
instead of wading through all these different "Z" formulas that may need additional accelerators
mixed into it.

....but you know what? Everybody raves about Zaino so I'll go through the chore of trying
to sort this all out.

You know I have crystal red. You are recommending Z5 over Z2? I will buy the
ZFX in addition just because you feel it adds durability. I just hope it is easy top figure out
how to mix it.

Now this is where my head starts spinning even more...

The problem in going with the triple pack is that it's $72 and doesn't even include
the Z5 or the ZFX accelerator.

What's better? Spending less for just the Z5 and the ZFX and getting a great wax/shine
or going with the triplet kit and using the AIO. I don't know how that compares in results.

I agree, Ron, with the complexity and expense you discussed above. Is Zaino a superior product? Absolutely, hands down. However, the way I look at it is I'm not entering the CTS into any judged car shows. I figure if Zaino gives a shine of 10 on a 1-10 scale, with multiple steps and costs, and ReJex gives an 8 out of 10 for $20 bucks and one step......well you can guess what I'm going to do. But it is hard not to get swayed by the results and recommendations of Zaino!

[DanV]

Originally Posted by NJRonbo

This is making my head spin. This is why I wanted to go REJEX instead because it's one product
instead of wading through all these different "Z" formulas that may need additional accelerators
mixed into it.

....but you know what? Everybody raves about Zaino so I'll go through the chore of trying
to sort this all out.

You know I have crystal red. You are recommending Z5 over Z2? I will buy the
ZFX in addition just because you feel it adds durability. I just hope it is easy top figure out
how to mix it.

Now this is where my head starts spinning even more...

The problem in going with the triple pack is that it's $72 and doesn't even include
the Z5 or the ZFX accelerator.

What's better? Spending less for just the Z5 and the ZFX and getting a great wax/shine
or going with the triplet kit and using the AIO. I don't know how that compares in results.

NJRonbo- If you don't want to mess with the accelerators and such, I do recommend the "Triplets", which consists of the Zaino All-In-One, the Z-CS, and the Z8. I just applied mine over the weekend for the first time.

The AOI is a great MILD cleaner along with some protection....very easy to use and to wipe off. Some people might be happy to stop there because your car will look great. The next process was super-easy, just very LIGHTLY applying the CS (clear seal)....just wipe on and walk away. I noticed that my shine actually got better the next day. Lastly, the Z8 "detailer" spray is truly awesome....like nothing I've used before. Once again, use this very sparingly.

[NJRonbo]

That's all I really needed to differentiate...

Do I go with Z5 and the ZFX accelerator which by all accounts
is cheaper and probably all I need -or- go with the triplets?

I want the better durability and better shine. Just want to be sure
which of the two choices I should go with.

And in advance, my apologies for provoking a continued debate on all of this,
but I think it's mind-numbing for any "newbie" like me to go to the Zaino
store and try to figure out what the hell to buy. Even looking through
this thread at all the recent responses MGM has supplied regarding
Zaino products it's still easy to scratch one's head and try to sort it all out.

[mgm2003]

Originally Posted by NJRonbo

This is making my head spin. This is why I wanted to go REJEX instead because it's one product
instead of wading through all these different "Z" formulas that may need additional accelerators
mixed into it.

....but you know what? Everybody raves about Zaino so I'll go through the chore of trying
to sort this all out.

You know I have crystal red. You are recommending Z5 over Z2? I will buy the
ZFX in addition just because you feel it adds durability. I just hope it is easy top figure out
how to mix it.

Now this is where my head starts spinning even more...

The problem in going with the triple pack is that it's $72 and doesn't even include
the Z5 or the ZFX accelerator.

What's better? Spending less for just the Z5 and the ZFX and getting a great wax/shine
or going with the triplet kit and using the AIO. I don't know how that compares in results.

Call them @ 888-999-9870 and the folks at Zaino will answer all of your questions -and then some. It's a very easy to use system.