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    Camaro Long Tube Headers - Anyone Tried installing Them?

    I'm looking for feedback from anyone who has *ACTUALLY* tried to install the camaro Long Tube headers on the Cadillac CTS LLT (8th digit V - 2008) from any vendor? As it's been a few years, I figure someone might have given this a try.

    I'm no stranger to having generic headers clearanced/modified for various cars, just looking for some additional info or insight.

    Specific info such as "3rd primary on the passenger side will require some clearance" is what I'm after!

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    Re: Camaro Long Tube Headers - Anyone Tried installing Them?

    Well the LLT is the same in both CTS and Camaro. The only issue would be if the tube clears the car. If anything I'd try the shorty ones.

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    Re: Camaro Long Tube Headers - Anyone Tried installing Them?

    Engine's the same. Engine compartment is not. Caveat Emptor.
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    Re: Camaro Long Tube Headers - Anyone Tried installing Them?

    Looks like there haven't been any takers, everestx, so you'll just have to try it and inform the rest of the community what you find!

    Buy them from some place that you can return them, then give it a go. Not too long ago I removed some Kooks long tubes and installed JBA shorty headers for a Camaro SS on my V1. I did a careful test fit first to see if they could be made to work, and sure enough they could (passenger side fit with no problems, driver side took a bit of modification to clear the steering shaft). If they weren't close, I just would've boxed 'em up and shipped 'em back to Summit for a refund.
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    Re: Camaro Long Tube Headers - Anyone Tried installing Them?

    ARH Long tubes in hand with HFC's and ARP studs with 12-Point Nuts.

    --No local shops will take on the job that I can find (DFW TX). Due to my current location, I can't install them myself and leave the car disassembled if I run into any issues that require the stainless to be modified so I'm currently 'stuck' for a few months until I move or find a shop with some balls.

    It's been pretty frustrating with all the local 'speed shops' and none of them will touch things that don't simply bolt onto a v6.

    From all the measurements I've taken,they should drop in. On the passenger side space will be tight and might require a 'dimple' but the Sigma II platform has plenty of clearance all around, esp considering the V platform headers are dimensionally similar from the primaries down to the collector.

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    Re: Camaro Long Tube Headers - Anyone Tried installing Them?

    Might want to consider 6 point nuts for the extra torque required to remove at a later date.

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    Its amazing how businesses call them selves "speed shops" and won't even take on installing headers I live in Michigan the motor city glad to have lots of old school shops still around willing to modify anything even a motorized bar stool.
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    Re: Camaro Long Tube Headers - Anyone Tried installing Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrjb9475 View Post
    Its amazing how businesses call them selves "speed shops" and won't even take on installing headers I live in Michigan the motor city glad to have lots of old school shops still around willing to modify anything even a motorized bar stool.
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    Re: Camaro Long Tube Headers - Anyone Tried installing Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by everestx View Post
    ARH Long tubes in hand with HFC's and ARP studs with 12-Point Nuts.

    --No local shops will take on the job that I can find (DFW TX). Due to my current location, I can't install them myself and leave the car disassembled if I run into any issues that require the stainless to be modified so I'm currently 'stuck' for a few months until I move or find a shop with some balls.

    It's been pretty frustrating with all the local 'speed shops' and none of them will touch things that don't simply bolt onto a v6.

    From all the measurements I've taken,they should drop in. On the passenger side space will be tight and might require a 'dimple' but the Sigma II platform has plenty of clearance all around, esp considering the V platform headers are dimensionally similar from the primaries down to the collector.
    Any updates on this? I'm in the DFW area as well and would like to find a shop that can do this.

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    Re: Camaro Long Tube Headers - Anyone Tried installing Them?

    No luck so far :/ Will update (likely a while) if/when I can locate a shop to do this.

    Off Topic: Anyone confirmed if our rear end (specific to 3.6) will accept the LPE 3.91 gears.

    I've seen conflicting info that the 3.6 specific carrier with 3.42's is identical to the LLT M6 rear carrier in the Camaro. A couple people have confirmed the 3.91 will drop into the M6 carrier. I simply can't find a concise confirmation that the CTS uses this exact carrier. Leave it to GM to name them all the same!

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    Re: Camaro Long Tube Headers - Anyone Tried installing Them?

    anything>????

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    Re: Camaro Long Tube Headers - Anyone Tried installing Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by everestx View Post
    ARH Long tubes in hand with HFC's and ARP studs with 12-Point Nuts.

    --No local shops will take on the job that I can find (DFW TX).
    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
    Any updates on this? I'm in the DFW area as well and would like to find a shop that can do this.
    If you haven't already, everestx, try Vorshlag in Plano. While I don't imagine they've worked on many (any?) V6 CTSs, they're definitely capable of doing a header install and making modifications if necessary. They've developed a number of LS swap "kits" for Bimmers and other cars, and do all their own header design.
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    Re: Camaro Long Tube Headers - Anyone Tried installing Them?

    I wouldn't install longtube headers for two reasons; loss of torque on lower RPM's, and terrible rasp as headers will always make a V-6 sound extremely raspy.
    Quote Originally Posted by everestx View Post
    I'm looking for feedback from anyone who has *ACTUALLY* tried to install the camaro Long Tube headers on the Cadillac CTS LLT (8th digit V - 2008) from any vendor? As it's been a few years, I figure someone might have given this a try.

    I'm no stranger to having generic headers clearanced/modified for various cars, just looking for some additional info or insight.

    Specific info such as "3rd primary on the passenger side will require some clearance" is what I'm after!


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    IMO headers should only be installed on track type cars anyway. In all reality most headers end up with irritating exhaust leaks that sound crummy and would devalue a nice car such as our Caddy's.

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    Re: Camaro Long Tube Headers - Anyone Tried installing Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by EVH5150 View Post
    I wouldn't install longtube headers for two reasons; loss of torque on lower RPM's, and terrible rasp as headers will always make a V-6 sound extremely raspy.
    The raspiness can generally be addressed with resonators of some sort, so that's not a big deal. And long tubes should most definitely not make less torque down low - while the gains may be greater at higher RPMs (since the stock manifolds are more of a restriction the more exhaust you're trying to flow), a set of headers should make more power than the stock manifold everywhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by EVH5150 View Post
    IMO headers should only be installed on track type cars anyway. In all reality most headers end up with irritating exhaust leaks that sound crummy and would devalue a nice car such as our Caddy's.
    I don't see why headers would be any more prone to leaking than the stock manifolds. Assuming you buy a quality product, use good gaskets, and install them properly, they're not going to leak. I've had shorties then long tubes on my Mustang, long tubes then shorties on my CTS-V, and two different brands of header on my Subaru; the only leakage issue I've had was due to a modified install on the Mustang's LTs. Once that was addressed a few years ago they've been leak-free.
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    Just reuse or buy new oem multi layer gaskets.

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