2008-2013 Cadillac CTS Performance Mods Discussion, [DIY] Install CTS-V Brembo Brakes on CTS (Part 1, GETTING STARTED) in Cadillac CTS Second Generation Forum - 2008-2013; PLEASE READ!
Now that I have completed the MOD there are things I would change if I could. First, I ...
Now that I have completed the MOD there are things I would change if I could. First, I would have ALL the parts before starting (I did not). Second, I would do the install in “BLEED” order:
This way, when you’re done with the install, you bleed it and you’re done. So read all the parts here and then do the install in the order listed above.
After asking many questions concerning the possibility of putting 2009-2012 CTS-V Brembo brakes on the 2008-2012 CTS and getting answers from “it can’t be done” to “it may work” I decided to give it a try. I got my courage from the fact that JDP Motorsports sells a kit using the same parts. So here it is.
I had to break this up into three parts because the system will only allow 15 photos. I have way more then that.
Part 1, GETTING STARTED,
Part 2, DISASSEMBLY (FRONT)
Part 3, INSTALL NEW PARTS (FRONT)
Part 4, DISASSEMBLY & INSTALL NEW PARTS (REAR)
BLEEDING BRAKES AND BED IN THE NEW PADS
Disclaimer: This Mod is being performed on my 2008 CTS RWD w/FE2 option and 19” CTS-V wheels. I will not address the CTS 4 though I have found no reason to believe it will not work on any 2008 – 2012 CTS with 18” wheels. So, take some time to measure your wheels for clearance.
Here is a link to JDP Motorsport that may help.
The parts list:
Parts cost change almost daily so this is as close as I could get. I can say the pare numbers are the ones I used. As you can see, the rotors account for 1/3 of the total cost. There are hundreds of rotors available for the CTS-V. If the OEM Brembo rotors listed are not to your liking then any rotor made for the 2009 – 2012 CTS-V should work and save you $$$.
My calipers started life Yellow with V logos but thanks to the magic of VHT Red and Clear Caliper paint and some Brembo Logos they are now Red. The Yellow was beautiful but I didn’t want to use the V logo. The directions on the VHT can are not clear with respect to curing the paint. Here is what I did:
READ THE CAN! I got much of the following via phone with VHT.
1. Sand the flat area of the V logo with 1200 wet paper. If you are going back with same color then do not sand more then that area.
2. Sand or Red Scotch Brite Pad (VHT recommendation) the whole caliper, it comes with the input hole plugged with a blue stopper so it is waterproof.
3. Use hair dyer or let it set overnight.
4. Mask off the area not to be painted. In my case that was the bleeders, inlet hole, pistons and the area where the ends of the pads contact. I used Blue painters tape for masking, tested a sample in advance, and it had no problem throughout the process.
5. If keeping the Yellow, mask all but the flat surface where the V logo is. Go to the edge so if the paint does not match exactly it won't mater so mush. You can use printer paper for the large areas.
6. Paint, two light coats followed by one wet coat. Wait 10 min. after each coat.
7. As soon as it’s dry to the touch, 20 min, very carefully apply the logos. Pressed on the letters and try not to stick down the backing tape to much. Remove the backing tape and ensure the letters are flat.
8. If you are keeping Yellow remove all the masking. The clear will help cover the ledge created by the tape.
9. Apply two coats of VHT clear.
10. Number 6 thru 8 must be done within one hour.
11. Now, send your wife shopping while you hang them in the oven at 200 degrees for one hour.
It's paint. The worst that could happen is you get new logos and start over.
I guess I did intermix those two terms. I think the term "backing plate" comes from the drum brake days when the shoes mounted on the "backing plate". I guess that applies to the back of the CTS because the parking brake shoes mount to the backing plate. No backing plate on the front so I will edit.
I can't wait to see it all done and finish. The day my breaks need to be changed I'm changing them to the V. Much appreciated.
Thanks. This is a simple to install upgrade but the parts are still expensive. For most people the probably can't be justified. But there are those of us who love mods like this and I think you are one of them.
I apologize for the delay in doing the rear but I still have to get some of the parts (need money) and the Goodridge lines are still three weeks out. I'm hoping by the week of 8 July to complete everything. Best Guess.
Now is the time to start collecting the parts. Hopefully the sources I listed will keep things in stock. Goodridge is a real problem. They say a manufacture run of our lines will be done soon so get your order in to Wundercarparts.
[QUOTE=Jagillac;3562282]Thanks again Mastercoffee2,
Well just after replying to your post I decided to get some more of the rear parts ordered and Amazon now has a backorder on the RR caliper. If this holds up I can get it from JEGS for about $30 more. I still need the rotors and backing plates and for now they are in stock. (if only I had $500 in stock lol)
You know, I just spent a lot on my wife's birthday. Now I'm having second thoughts about that decision.
UPDATE: Things are coming together. Got the Goodridge lines today and the rear calipers will be here tomorrow. The rear backing plates and rotors are also on the way.
I was looking at the price list and realized that more then 1/3rd of the cost is in rotors. I have always questioned my decision to go with the Brembo (OEM) 2 piece rotors on the front due to cost. So, sense the rear brakes are good for nothing but parking anyway, I have decided to cut cost I will go with Centric 125.62119 rotors on he rear. (Cost for OEM = $427.80, Centric = $164.88, savings = 262.92 shipped.
I will add these to the price list and you can choose.
I knew I would have to paint the hat on the OEM rotor black to match the front and the Centric is black.
EDIT: Decided to just put in a statement about rotor availability and cost.
I really hope to finish this by Christmas...just kidding. Next week.
I was doing some research on the part numbers for the rear backing plates for the CTS-V vs CTS and found that they are the same numbers on 2009 up. This is no doubt due to the introduction of the electronic parking brake in 2009. So it looks like you will not need to change them on 2009 up CTS. However, this does bring into question the ability retro these to the 2008. We shell see.
Where do you find the Hawk front brake pads for 106.52? The cheapest I found is 156.93 on amazon.
OK, you caught me. I had to go back and look at my Amazon order. If you shop Amazon much you know that if you look close you will often see something like "1 used from $68.96" and in my effort to get the lowers price I went there. Amazon does not sell used stuff, used to them is new item, scratched, in damaged box or maybe no box. Mine was a damaged box for $106.52. An example, at this moment the rear pads are $98.52 but can be had for $68.96 with cosmetic damage. Cosmetic damage on a brake pad? Good deal!
Now, I forgot and never should have used that price on my price list so I will correct it. That said, prices change and at the moment $168.48 in the lowest I see on Amazon. Free shipping. There are lower prices around but shipping cost brings the total above Amazon. The source and price I listed was the price I paid and the best I could find during the weeks I spent looking.
PS: the picture of Hawk Performance HB649Z.605 is not correct on amazon and that screwed me up for a long time.
I have that old KNOCK in the left rear over bumps so when I do the rear Bembo Brakes I will replace the knuckle. The right one was replaces a little a year ago.
It's not a mod but do you guys think I should do a photo sequence of the process and document it in another thread? Has anyone done this? I have not seen it anywhere. I will replace the entire knuckle as GM recommends, not the bushings only. When the dealer did the right side they listed a required 4 wheel alignment.