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    Awesome thank you for the update keep us informed you have done an awesome review so far!

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    Re: Product reivew: The Black Ice-Olater by VMax - Intake Phenolic Spacer

    I installed mine last night; my IM was much much worse... Can't wait for FedEx with my RX Catch Can!

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    Re: Product reivew: The Black Ice-Olater by VMax - Intake Phenolic Spacer

    People who think that they don't need a catch can, are going to be in for a huge upper intake mess down the road.

    Imagine what your valves look like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wag-O-Neer
    People who think that they don't need a catch can, are going to be in for a huge upper intake mess down the road.

    Imagine what your valves look like.
    Yeah, I'm considering pulling the heads off...

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    That sir, isn't a small job

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_atDell
    I installed mine last night; my IM was much much worse... Can't wait for FedEx with my RX Catch Can!

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    How many miles on ur CTS?

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    I just hit 50k......guess were in the same boat

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    Re: Product reivew: The Black Ice-Olater by VMax - Intake Phenolic Spacer

    any updates on the dyno? I'm looking into buying the whole package i.e. the throttle body, iceolater, trifecta tune, and a d3 intake. I just want to make sure all that money spent is going to be worth it.

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    Re: Product reivew: The Black Ice-Olater by VMax - Intake Phenolic Spacer

    Quote Originally Posted by SC2150 View Post
    And here is more data directly from GM on the subject:


    2011 Cadillac CTS | CTS VIN D Service Manual | Document ID: 2863222
    #PIP5029: Engine Misfires Due To Major Carbon Deposits On The Intake And/Or Exhaust Valves - (May 29, 2012)
    Subject: Engine Misfires Due To Major Carbon Deposits On The Intake And/Or Exhaust Valves

    Models: 2008 - 2012 Cadillac CTS, STS
    With any of the Following Direct Injected Gasoline Engines:
    3.6L (RPO LFX or LLT)

    The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
    Condition/Concern:

    Some customers may complain of a MIL and engine misfire. In some cases, the misfire may be more apparent on a cold start, may count on a single cylinder or several cylinders, and may or may not be felt by the driver. Upon inspection, the technician will find one or more misfire codes (DTC P0300-P0306) stored in the ECM and SI diagnosis may or may not isolate the cause of the misfire depending on whether the intake/exhaust valves are sticking at the time of the diagnosis.

    This may be the result of major carbon build up on the intake and/or exhaust valves as shown below so the misfires should not have appeared until the engine has accumulated around 5,000 miles or more.


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    OK, so GM is recommending this service for the direct injected engines. I'm looking at this and thinking about my 3.6 DI. If I have carbon deposits on the valves, this can't be from my fuel since the fuel is injected after the valves. So this must be from the oil in the intake, correct? If that's the case, then, yes, the catch can should help alleviate this problem. I can see the logic so far. But how would Top Tier gas help anything? I'm thinking Top Tier gas would only affect the combustion chamber, and possible carbon hot spots in the combustion chamber. If there are hot spots, I'd see a detonation (pre-ignition) knock, correct?

    Basically I'm trying to see the logic to the bulletin pointing at the gas as the problem when it looks obvious that problem is the oil in the intake.

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    Re: Product reivew: The Black Ice-Olater by VMax - Intake Phenolic Spacer

    Wow!

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    Re: Product reivew: The Black Ice-Olater by VMax - Intake Phenolic Spacer

    If I remove the upper part of the intake to perform an inspection such as this, do I need to buy a new gasket? Or is this a reusable gasket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HurstGN
    If I remove the upper part of the intake to perform an inspection such as this, do I need to buy a new gasket? Or is this a reusable gasket?
    It's reusable.

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    Re: Product reivew: The Black Ice-Olater by VMax - Intake Phenolic Spacer

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_atDell View Post
    It's reusable.
    Thank You. I've got to dig in there and see just how much carbon gunk I got on the valves.

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    Re: Product reivew: The Black Ice-Olater by VMax - Intake Phenolic Spacer

    You can feed a boroscope right down one of the runners and see the valves.


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