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    Re: 20 rwhp & 25 rwtq bolt on gain...

    You can mark me down for one as well

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    Re: 20 rwhp & 25 rwtq bolt on gain...

    Warranty is a totally subjective decision based on the serivce department of the dealer. Since the banckruptcy the reimbursment rate has been greatley reduced so some do all they can to have to deal with any warranty, but the magnasun moss act is law. A warranty CANNOT be denied unless the modification made is directly related to the failure in question. Now, most dealers know you wont have knowledge of this OR the time & money to fight it.

    That said, I cant imagine how a mod like this could (unless you left bolts looose and went lean, etc.) but a super charger or turbo would be cause.

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    Re: 20 rwhp & 25 rwtq bolt on gain...

    Will this fit the 2008 CTS DI ?

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    I don't see why it wouldn't fit.

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    Re: 20 rwhp & 25 rwtq bolt on gain...

    Should fit no problem.

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    Re: 20 rwhp & 25 rwtq bolt on gain...

    will this fit non-DI 3.6?

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    Re: 20 rwhp & 25 rwtq bolt on gain...

    I am not sure......have not tried to see. If the IM is the same as the DI then yes it would.....

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    Re: 20 rwhp & 25 rwtq bolt on gain...

    i ordered one for my 2008 NON-DI, i will keep you posted to see if it fits it

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    Re: 20 rwhp & 25 rwtq bolt on gain...

    Alright, I just had to reply when I saw this.

    Why in hell would this add this much power? Do you honestly think that your intake is magically ice cold because you placed a phenolic gasket underneath it? The manifold is still located in the hot engine bay, underneath the hood. Additionally by adding a spacer you are doing nothing but shifting the manifold resonance to a lower RPM, which would reduce HP gains that you would see otherwise (albeit both would be tiny due to all of 1/4-1/2" spacer). The fact that you would even outright claim gains like this is insane. The fraction of a second that the air is inside the runners of the manifold is small, let alone the small amount of actual air mass that comes in contact to the inside surface of the manifold. The graphs that you posted on the first page are complete BS. Gotta love how many people are actually drooling over the thought of buying into this crap.

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    Re: 20 rwhp & 25 rwtq bolt on gain...

    LOL!!!!! And your basing your claims on what? I suggest you call another independant that did not think our testing was accurate and did his own....and that shop saw 28 ft lbs of torque vs our 25, and the same 20 RWHP. We dont make idle boasts.....if you look at our qualifications and reputation you would see that. Oh...I just saw, 1 post. You are a troll that has come on just to interfere with a good thread.

    How about you list who you are, what your qualifications are, and what your background is.

    We have also provided a few of these free to others to independantly test and report back. The proof is the proof....but make sure YOU dont ever buy one, as these are not for idiots like yourself.

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    Re: 20 rwhp & 25 rwtq bolt on gain...

    Based on my years of working with cars and engines. Sorry bud but your claims are absolute bunk. Please explain to me what intake temp differences you're measuring to see those kind of incredible gains? I'd love to hear your thoughts on what kind of air temp changes you feel are causing them?

    I've worked with engines for years, including on engine dynos, and also have an engineering degree. I will flat out say that you are lieing if you claim you're making those gains. I have not called you names, but love that you immediately jjump to calling me an "idiot" as a professional. If you honestly feel that you're right then please post up IAT changes that you're measuring, as I'm flat out calling you out as being bunk. As for 1 post, you're right, your claims as I made mention in my first post were bad enough that I was willing to sign up and make my own comments. These damn gaskets are always publicized in every new car platform out there, as people who buy into it have no idea what they are doing typically and will buy into marketing hype. You are however capitalizing on their ignorance and attacking me with names to defend yourself.

    Post up IAT changes, those will be your real world test. Engine coolant temps held at 200*F, on an intake, that sees at best 70*F (assuming standard ambient conditions), and the airflow is only inside the manifold for a fraction of a second, let alone only a fraction of the mass contacts the walls. You still have a manifold sitting inside the hot engine bay regardless of your black magic gasket. So again, please post up air temps for everyone.

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    Re: 20 rwhp & 25 rwtq bolt on gain...

    Engine coolant temps are not efffected. The power increase comes from the densor air charge (30-34*F lower than w/out the heat isolator).

    I see you list your age as 29, and are an engineer.

    We are known as the leading company in R&D and product development for the DI 3.6 GM motor with several accomplishments that include:

    The first twin turbo 3.6 DI system to put out 500 hp and be able to be driven daily (6k miles, 1000 non stop after leaving the shop).

    The first to design a proper crankcase evacuation system that solves the crankcase pressure issues with the 3.6.

    The first to market with a front mount centrifugal super charger system for the 3.6 DI.

    And several other cutting edge products known throughout the modern muscle community.

    Watch this video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaQRwNmt7lY

    List your professional accomplishments, what type of racing, classes, and sanctioning bodies. Best way to establish credability here would be with actual accomplishments.

    Mine are as follows:
    Mechanical Engineer and Machinest (1978 UWSP)
    over 38 years of building race & performance engines, race car fabrication, turbo & super charging specialist since the 70's.
    Graduate of the Reher Morrision Race engine building school
    Owner, driver, manager & crew chief of several drag teams over the past 20 years with numerous Divisional, National, & World Championships in both NHRA & IHRA in several classes. (latest we won the World in NHRA Super Gas 2011 season).

    Read some press on us? (please include your media coverage):


    Each Rev-Xtreme Race Team Member Scores on Northern Swing--Lewis, Williams, Hickmon racking up the W’s!!!
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    Emily Lewis, Troy Williams, Jr., and J.P. Hickmon, the three Rev-Xtreme backed Florida competitors decided to pool their resources and head North for the month of August, piling their three competition vehicles into one rig and hitting the road for a rigorous tour. Despite a lengthy stint on the road and some trials and tribulations along the way, the trip has been a huge success in terms of on-track success, with each competitor scoring along the way.

    The tour began at Atco Raceway in Atco, NJ for the AA Auto Salvage $20,000 bracket events August 4-6. Their, Hickmon picked up a Gamblers event victory, while Williams advanced to late rounds in Saturday’s $20,000 event. After an adventurous trip West to the Mid-Michigan Motorplex for the World Super Pro Challenge the following weekend, Hickmon followed up with yet another victory: in Thursday’s $5,000-to-win opener. Hickmon’s Rev-Xtreme backed dragster is powered by a Nesbitt Performance Engines 555, and he was quick to credit the Carolina engine builder as well as Jeg’s Mail Order, Mullis Chassis by Forrester, and Nitroplate for his recent success.

    Defending IHRA Quick Rod Champion Williams added a runner-up in Sunday’s $5,000-to-win closer, while Lewis drove her machine to a quarterfinal finish.

    “The Michigan race looks real good on paper,” joked Lewis. “Troy and J.P. both made finals, and don’t get me wrong--it was a good weekend. But, we missed our shot at the real big money (the $50,000 main event was won by Tennessee’s Jason Lynch), and on the way from Atco, the motorhome broke down in Ohio. We actually had to lean on some friends to even get to Michigan--so it was a trying week!”

    The entire Rev-Xtreme team wished to thank Jeremy Bargo, Carey Gill, Mike Bloomfield, and the Connolly family for their help throughout the week.

    The weekend of August 19-20 brought the team to Tri-State Dragway near Cincinnati, OH for the IHRA Mr. Gasket Pro-Am event. There, Emily Lewis added to the team’s victory total, earning a win in the Quick Rod Shootout event contested Saturday night. Williams, Jr. was also a semi-finalist in that category. Then in Sunday’s main event, both she and Williams found themselves in the semi-final round once again, although both fell in that stanza.

    Although the Tri-State event did not count toward Williams’ 2007 IHRA points total, he still sits atop the Quick Rod points chase as the season heads toward a close. Several competitors, including Texan Chris Pogue, Illinois based Forrest Lipke, Louisiana’s Slate Cummings, Kentucky competitor Rusty Cook, and more have a shot at overtaking the points lead.

    A piece of that championship puzzle could fall into place at this weekend’s IHRA World Nationals at Norwalk Raceway Park. The Grandaddy of the IHRA schedule is the final stop on the Rev-Xtreme tour before the trio points their rig back Southbound to Florida.

    Primary backing for each of the aforementioned drivers comes from Rev Xtreme (www.RevXtreme.com), a full service parts and performance shop specializing in all late model high performance cars and trucks. Florida competitors Emily Lewis, J.P. Hickmon, and Troy Williams, Jr. make up the Rev Xtreme motorsports marketing regime. RevXtreme currently has retail facilities in Tampa, FL, and Fort Myers, FL, with a new store opening soon in Atlanta, GA.

    But why not ask some here that are testing it to see first hand instead of barging in like a bull in a china shop? You are claiming this data is a lie, but do some research. Google the "Black Ice-olator" and read all the testing on other platforms using the 3.6 DI instead of looking like such a fool with your bold face accusations, and please, list all your "29 year old" accomplishments that would qualify you to even question this thread.

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    Re: 20 rwhp & 25 rwtq bolt on gain...

    How about I just go ahead and quote the air density change of 30-34*F standard atmospheric air,

    http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/ai...ity-d_771.html

    For those unable to understand a chart like that, you are basically looking at a minimal air density change, all of 3-4% at best, which only decreases as airflow starts to increase during revving, increasing the air velocity through the manifold and therefore the duration of time the air has to absorb heat. 20 WHEEL hp and 25 WHEEL tq, huh?

    Now with your long list of credentials please explain to me why such a mild claimed air temp change (and I honestly will say your numbers seem optimistic at best), you claim such tremendous power gains? I don't see any datalogged temp differences so at this point your numbers are entirely heresay. It's actually comical. Assuming a perfectly atmospheric air charge which will never be the case, a 30* air charge difference will mean only a FRACTION of what you're claiming, and again this is assuming there is in fact a 30* temp change, and absolutely unheard of pressure drop.

    It's a joke, but thanks for the "credentials"

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    I'm no engineer and I'm only 32, but I think something knocks and gets retarded or something, and this this keeps it out of Special Ed. Kinda like a baby with a high fever...

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