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2008-2013 Cadillac CTS Performance Mods Discussion, My Trifecta ECM/TCM tuning experience - 2010 CTS-4 3.6L DI Wagon in Cadillac CTS Second Generation Forum - 2008-2013; Originally Posted by Wag-O-Neer [B]Here's a 3rd gear pull I did, to take logs of timing advance, pre-tune. I should ...
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    Re: My Trifecta ECM/TCM tuning experience - 2010 CTS-4 3.6L DI Wagon

    Quote Originally Posted by Wag-O-Neer View Post
    [B]Here's a 3rd gear pull I did, to take logs of timing advance, pre-tune. I should note that car has been running 93 octane for the past 3 fill ups.

    Looks like at 6K RPM, the stock file is running (positive)20 degrees of timing. You can also see the car pull 4* at 5220 rpm.


    datetime Timing Advance RPM
    06:40.6 36 2543.75
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    06:40.9 17 2619
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    06:42.2 12.5 2831.25
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    06:46.0 17 3743.25
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    06:46.3 18 3813.25
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    06:46.7 17 3920.25
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    06:46.9 16.5 3973.75
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    06:52.7 17 5262.25
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    06:53.0 18 5323.25
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    06:53.2 18 5363.75
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    06:53.4 18 5419.75
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    06:53.7 18 5473
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    06:53.9 18 5514.5
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    06:54.2 18 5568.75
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    06:54.4 18 5603.5
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    06:54.6 18.5 5654.75
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    06:55.2 18.5 5733
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    06:55.8 19.5 5859.25
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    06:56.5 20 5979
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    06:57.0 20 6054.5
    06:57.1 20 6054.5
    06:57.2 -10.5 6054.5
    06:57.3 -10.5 5901.25
    06:57.4 -1 5901.25
    06:57.5 -1 5908.75
    06:57.6 5 5908.75

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    Ok, so I did another data log, using my equipment, for a 3rd gear pull, just like the one above, which was when the car was stock. I know that it might just look like a bunch of jumbled up numbers to many, but for those that know what they're looking at, you can see what the Trifecta tune is doing, in regards to spark advance. I mentioned on the post above, that the car was pulling 4* of timing at 5220 RPM. And oddly enough, even the new tune pulls a couple degrees at the same place. I wonder if it's because IATs are rising, from the radiant heat of the cylinder head, and the ECM is pulling it. I guess I need to log IAT next time, to see. If so, then the phenolic intake spacer that I'm going to get from SC2150, should solve that problem.

    Also, unfortunately, I don't plan on adding a wideband to the car, so I don't what my AFR is. Jerry says that Trifecta tunes it a little rich for safety, and I take him at his word. There's a few hundred Camaros running this same tune, and to date, I haven't heard/read of any of them having lean issues. As part of my agreement with SC2150, I'll do a pre/post dyno after installation of the phenolic spacer, so I'll be able to see AFR, using the standard tailpipe sniffer at the dyno shop.

    Also, when you flash your car, Jerry from BNR and Vince ask you to do a data log, using their software, as soon as possible, just so they can see what's going on with the tune. I like the fact that they take a proactive approach like this, rather than wait for complaints, to look at logs. Just another reason why to choose BNR and Trifecta.

    Just to confirm, pre-tune log above, and the post-tune log below, we're with 93 octane.


    44:22.1 18 2659.75
    44:22.2 18 2974
    44:22.3 18.5 2974
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    Re: My Trifecta ECM/TCM tuning experience - 2010 CTS-4 3.6L DI Wagon

    Thanks for all the kind words- I'm glad you like the tune!

    Anyone looking to order, here is the direct order link-

    http://badnewsracing.net/webstore/pr...roducts_id/186

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    Re: My Trifecta ECM/TCM tuning experience - 2010 CTS-4 3.6L DI Wagon

    Quote Originally Posted by BNRacing View Post
    Thanks for all the kind words- I'm glad you like the tune!

    Anyone looking to order, here is the direct order link-

    http://badnewsracing.net/webstore/pr...roducts_id/186

    Guys, this is the person you want to talk to, if you want the same tune I have. Since we got very detailed on the TCM calibrations, you can just ask for the same file I have on my car. Or, you can do a base file first, and adjust what you want from there. Jerry is very responsive to email, and can do just about anything you want.

    Good to have you on board, Jerry!

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    Re: My Trifecta ECM/TCM tuning experience - 2010 CTS-4 3.6L DI Wagon

    Quote Originally Posted by SC2150 View Post
    Vince was releasing a updated tune today....he writes the ones for our 3.6 twin turbo and super charged builds. Very talented.
    I've spoken to Vince once before. He seems like a great guy who knows what he's doing in regards to tunes. But what's this twin turbo 3.6 you're referring to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Cadillac View Post
    I've spoken to Vince once before. He seems like a great guy who knows what he's doing in regards to tunes. But what's this twin turbo 3.6 you're referring to?
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    Re: My Trifecta ECM/TCM tuning experience - 2010 CTS-4 3.6L DI Wagon

    Question,

    Is the tuner locked into just one VIN? If I have two cars that can accept trifecta tunes, can I go ahead and use it in both? Or if I replace my car, can I tune my new car?

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    Re: My Trifecta ECM/TCM tuning experience - 2010 CTS-4 3.6L DI Wagon

    It's VIN locked

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    Cool Re: My Trifecta ECM/TCM tuning experience - 2010 CTS-4 3.6L DI Wagon

    Quote Originally Posted by Wag-O-Neer View Post
    Guys, first impression is it's worth every penny. The car feels totally different. It feels MUCH zippier and throttle tip-in is aggressive. The tranny shifts crisp in A6 mode at WOT and throttle blipping on auto downshifts is a nice touch. Driving at part throttle still gives you nice, comfy, lazy shifts, just like stock. You throw it into sport mode and not much changes at part throttle, but at WOT the car shifts like a '69 Chevelle with a hurst shift kit. Smiles.
    Did you select the hardest shift available when in sport mode? I think it is indicated by the percent of the reduction of the torque management. Some of the Camaro guys can chirp a gear but its probably not good for the tranny in our particular vehicles since there is not much tolerance for increased power capacity. My "72 Chevelle has a B&M valve body kit and a few other tricks and chirps 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 shifts at WOT which never gets old even at 46 years of age. ; P

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    Re: My Trifecta ECM/TCM tuning experience - 2010 CTS-4 3.6L DI Wagon

    Quote Originally Posted by loosend View Post
    Did you select the hardest shift available when in sport mode? I think it is indicated by the percent of the reduction of the torque management. Some of the Camaro guys can chirp a gear but its probably not good for the tranny in our particular vehicles since there is not much tolerance for increased power capacity. My "72 Chevelle has a B&M valve body kit and a few other tricks and chirps 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 shifts at WOT which never gets old even at 46 years of age. ; P
    I'm not sure if they tuned it for maximum reduction of TM, or not. I can tell you that the shift firmness is progressive, as it relates to throttle position. With very light throttle input, the car appears to still has the same shift firmness as stock. However, as throttle input increases, so does the quickness at which the cogs are swapped inside the slushbox. To the point that at WOT, the car shifts very quick, and firm. Since my car is AWD, I'm not chirping gears, nor would I want to.

    Maybe Jerry from BNR can chime in as to how firm they set it.

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    Re: My Trifecta ECM/TCM tuning experience - 2010 CTS-4 3.6L DI Wagon

    Quote Originally Posted by Wag-O-Neer View Post
    Since my car is AWD, I'm not chirping gears, nor would I want to. Maybe Jerry from BNR can chime in as to how firm they set it.
    Didn't realize you were AWD and that will make a difference in the way it shifts and the performance numbers due to weight and having another axle. I was just wondering about the percentage of TM reduction to use as a reference so maybe Jerry will chime in. Eventhough chirping tires sounds cool, I would not want to be breaking parts in the trans or the multiple universals in the driveline. Again, THANKS for giving us all something to chew on and breathing new life/excitement to this board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loosend View Post
    Didn't realize you were AWD and that will make a difference in the way it shifts and the performance numbers due to weight and having another axle. I was just wondering about the percentage of TM reduction to use as a reference so maybe Jerry will chime in. Eventhough chirping tires sounds cool, I would not want to be breaking parts in the trans or the multiple universals in the driveline. Again, THANKS for giving us all something to chew on and breathing new life/excitement to this board.
    No problem, I'm glad to share my data with the forum. Kinda the whole point of these things, right?

    I was actually very surprised to see the lack of performance modding threads in here. I thought for sure, since the car shares the same engine as the Camaro, that I'd see tons of threads, but nope. Outside of a few exhaust and CAI threads, there just wasn't much.

    Hopefully we change all that.
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    Re: My Trifecta ECM/TCM tuning experience - 2010 CTS-4 3.6L DI Wagon

    I'm not 100% certain what Vince set your shift firmness at, but I can tell you that we don't ever take it to the point that it could cause any harm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BNRacing View Post
    I'm not 100% certain what Vince set your shift firmness at, but I can tell you that we don't ever take it to the point that it could cause any harm.
    Yeah, figured as much. I really love the fact that it's totally progressive as it relates to throttle input.

    Bad News Racing has earned my word of mouth, to anyone that will listen to me.

    BTW, check your email. Sent you and Vince some logs about IAT.

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    Re: My Trifecta ECM/TCM tuning experience - 2010 CTS-4 3.6L DI Wagon

    Thanks. Yeah I saw the email last night

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    Re: My Trifecta ECM/TCM tuning experience - 2010 CTS-4 3.6L DI Wagon

    Yeah, that was my same thought when I first joined the forums. I guess I assumed (perhaps falsely) that at least the customers opting for the coupe version of a newer CTS would be more performance-minded. The ironic thing is, I think I've actually seen more performance interest out of the wagon owners than anyone else, on the whole. They like the idea of building a "sleeper" that surprises people, or simply get a kick out of having a true "sport wagon" in a category of vehicle where performance is usually just an afterthought.

    I will say one thing though. So far, it seems like the upside to this is we're generally seeing only really *good* performance upgrades offered. Vendors seem to be taking the time to release products or services that are done right, as opposed to trying to make a quick buck selling sub-standard stuff. That's what made me give up my Genesis Coupe in the end; too much money shelled out for performance parts that had fitment issues, didn't live up to their claims, and created new problems they wouldn't admit to or help buyers correct.

    I'll take quality over quantity any day -- so PLEASE keep up the informative posts sharing good info!

    Quote Originally Posted by Wag-O-Neer View Post
    No problem, I'm glad to share my data with the forum. Kinda the whole point of these things, right?

    I was actually very surprised to see the lack of performance modding threads in here. I thought for sure, since the car shares the same engine as the Camaro, that I'd see tons of threads, but nope. Outside of a few exhaust and CAI threads, there just wasn't much.

    Hopefully we change all that.

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