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    Goodbye CTS, in with the new

    The day came, I just sent off the CTS to a new home:


    It has been a great ride and I really enjoyed learning about Cadillacs and being a part of the community for a few years! At the end of the day, the CTS was a great all around car and a fantastic commuter but it is just not an exciting car for me. I wanted something that I could blow off some steam in.

    I looked at a CTS-V or an ATS as a replacement for this car, as well as the IS-F, M56S, even a GT500. I finally decided on a low mileage enthusiast owned Jaguar XFR:




    Tons of power and performance, one of the best performance / daily driver suspensions I have ever experienced and a high level of interior and amenity quality. I am sure I will still lurk here from time to time...when the ATS's come off of lease in a few years I may pick up a Premium for my wife

    As a side note, I have a Trifecta Red EZFlash Cable that was used maybe 3 times if anyone is thinking about tuning their car and want to score a discount on a gently used one. PM me if you are interested
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    Re: Goodbye CTS, in with the new

    uh
    no offense guy, but that thing's going to be in the shop quite often, jaguar really has never made anything reliable

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    Quote Originally Posted by joekitch View Post
    uh
    no offense guy, but that thing's going to be in the shop quite often, jaguar really has never made anything reliable
    Uh no offense guy, but that has not really been the case since ~2002. When Ford bought the company their reliability became about the same as any other luxury marquee. Now owned by Tata the XF line has been among the industry's highest rated and highest awarded cars. If you browse enthusiast forums you will find tons of happy owners who have experienced trouble free ownership for years.

    In the past that was absolutely true. If people want to keep thinking they are unreliable that is fine by me...I'll see less of them on the road

    Regarding reliability my CTS was a great car but it was also in the shop more than any other car I've ever owned in the two years I had it. Leaky sunroof, leaky rear third brake light, coil pack dead at 60k (the rest probably on their way), radio not shutting off when turning off the car and stepping out, leather pulling off of both of the front seat cards etc etc. GM just never has had their quality control right and it starts to show on any of their cars after about 30k miles.
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    To the OP, nice choice. As the other poster said, Jags are notoriously unreliable. HOWEVER, I agree that the more recent ones have drastically improved their reliability. In fact, most newer cars quality are pretty much all around better, GM models included. Not to say I wouldn't have some hesitation with some models. When looking at BMWs, even the dealer told me (along with many other people), "don't own a BMW outside of warranty." Haven't heard that saying about any new Jaguars. Enjoy and feel free to check in occasionally.
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    Good luck with your new car! (she's a beaut) I've always admired the look of the newer jags! Did you get the Bang and Olufsen sound system with it? It's one hell of a stock sound system!!!

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    Thanks guys! Super excited for it to get here! I did get the upgraded sound system, in the Jags it's made by Bowers & Wilkins! XFRs came fully loaded with no options list other than color choices. I will def be checking in, we may add an ATS to the stable in a few years

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    Re: Goodbye CTS, in with the new

    actually brand reliability becomes even more important the newer you get on the car, because i've noticed a lot of newer cars are doing sneaky mean things to prevent you from doing DIY, like making common components very difficult to remove, or moving lots of diagnostics to the onboard computers (which use shitty, proprietary software that only a dealer can access)

    which is why modern cars will be mostly junk in 30 years, and no classics, nobody will be able to fix the electronics and replacing them will be almost impossible when they're that old

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRXtranceformed
    Thanks guys! Super excited for it to get here! I did get the upgraded sound system, in the Jags it's made by Bowers & Wilkins! XFRs came fully loaded with no options list other than color choices. I will def be checking in, we may add an ATS to the stable in a few years
    Lol, I've been looking at too many cars recently:/ I did mean bowers and Wilkins...it's a sick sound system with 17 speakers pushing 1200 watts. (my friend has a 2012 portfolio model) I'm certainly jealous of that sound system
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    Re: Goodbye CTS, in with the new

    Quote Originally Posted by joekitch View Post
    uh
    no offense guy, but that thing's going to be in the shop quite often, jaguar really has never made anything reliable
    Uhhh, no offense but you're clueless. In 45 years of owning cars my 08 CTS was the biggest POS I ever owned, being CONSTANTLY in the shop. ALL of the stupid problems from the ultra-squeak roof, constant vibration, check engine and airbag lights, lumbar that exploded, timing chain, removing heated washer, ventilated seats that failed to ventilate etc, etc, etc.

    I traded that disaster for a '10 Jag XF, and had ONE problem, which was a clunk to first gear, which was handled flawlessly with the dealer coming to pick up the car, dropping off a loaner, and delivering it back 3 days later. In fact, owning it was such a positive experience after the CTS that I just bought this beauty, a '12 XF portfolio in cashmere with a 5L V8:

    jag 2.jpg

    So before you start repeating nonsense about reliability, check out the real story. If I had bought another CTS it would have been to have one to drive while the other was in the shop, while the Jag has been great, which is reflected in the owners surveys for the past decade. Try checking reality instead of tired cliches.

    See what it's like to open the door and smell real leather and wood, not plasticized leather and plastic wood, or punch the gas and feel a big rorty V8 kick you in the back, or sound like a lovely engine and not something that sounds like it dropped a valve when idling, or look at a suede headliner and A-pillars, or sit on seats made of REAL soft leather, brakes that modulate like race brakes, a sound system that sounds like music versus a mid-range mess, and on and on.

    Anyway, to the OP - congrats. The difference will astound you in terms of performance, luxury and RELIABILITY. You made a great choice - enjoy. Oh, btw, NICE wheels on that R.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
    Uhhh, no offense but you're clueless. My 08 CTS was the biggest POS I ever owned, being CONSTANTLY in the shop. ALL of the stupid problems from the ultra-squeak roof, constant vibration, check engine and airbag lights, lumbar that exploded, timing chain, removing heated washer, etc, etc, etc.

    I traded that for a '10 XF, and had ONE problem, which was a clunk to first gear, which was handled flawlessly. In fact, it was such a good experience that I just bought this beauty, a '12 XF portfolio in cashmere with a 5L V8:

    Attachment 148497

    So before you start repeating nonsense about reliability, check out the real story. If I had bought another CTS it would have been to have one to drive while the other was in the shop, while the Jag has been great, which is reflected in the owners surveys for the past decade.

    See what it's like to open the door and smell real leather and wood, not plasticized leather and plastic wood, or punch the gas and feel a big rorty V8 kick you in the back, or sound like a lovely engine and not something that sounds like it dropped a valve when idling, or look at a suede headliner and A-pillars, or sit on seats made of REAL soft leather and on and on.

    Anyway, to the OP - congrats. The difference will astound you in terms of performance, luxury and RELIABILITY. You made a great choice - enjoy. Oh, btw, NICE wheels on that R.
    Thanks dude, same to you! that was a NICE choice on the portfolio. Beautiful car. I looked hard at a '12 XFR but it would have nudged past the budget i set for myself. We just got married so the next few months will be refurnishing and remodeling the house! I like the touch screen updates for '12+ and the revised front fascia looks even meaner. I didn't mind settling on a low mileage 2010 though

    I noticed all of the above the first time I sat in an XFR. I remember thinking wow, this is seriously a step up in quality from the German Japanese and American rivals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snofun3
    Uhhh, no offense but you're clueless. In 45 years of owning cars my 08 CTS was the biggest POS I ever owned, being CONSTANTLY in the shop. ALL of the stupid problems from the ultra-squeak roof, constant vibration, check engine and airbag lights, lumbar that exploded, timing chain, removing heated washer, ventilated seats that failed to ventilate etc, etc, etc. I traded that disaster for a '10 Jag XF, and had ONE problem, which was a clunk to first gear, which was handled flawlessly with the dealer coming to pick up the car, dropping off a loaner, and delivering it back 3 days later. In fact, owning it was such a positive experience after the CTS that I just bought this beauty, a '12 XF portfolio in cashmere with a 5L V8: <img src="http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=148497"/> So before you start repeating nonsense about reliability, check out the real story. If I had bought another CTS it would have been to have one to drive while the other was in the shop, while the Jag has been great, which is reflected in the owners surveys for the past decade. Try checking reality instead of tired cliches. See what it's like to open the door and smell real leather and wood, not plasticized leather and plastic wood, or punch the gas and feel a big rorty V8 kick you in the back, or sound like a lovely engine and not something that sounds like it dropped a valve when idling, or look at a suede headliner and A-pillars, or sit on seats made of REAL soft leather, brakes that modulate like race brakes, a sound system that sounds like music versus a mid-range mess, and on and on. Anyway, to the OP - congrats. The difference will astound you in terms of performance, luxury and RELIABILITY. You made a great choice - enjoy. Oh, btw, NICE wheels on that R.
    ...and yours actually has Spider-man traction. Cool!


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    Re: Goodbye CTS, in with the new

    Quote Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
    Uhhh, no offense but you're clueless. In 45 years of owning cars my 08 CTS was the biggest POS I ever owned, being CONSTANTLY in the shop. ALL of the stupid problems from the ultra-squeak roof, constant vibration, check engine and airbag lights, lumbar that exploded, timing chain, removing heated washer, ventilated seats that failed to ventilate etc, etc, etc.
    i'd be very careful with that car, both truedelta and consumer reports are putting it below average in reliability, and both of these sources tend to be pretty accurate as a whole.
    you might have gotten lucky, there as such things as hondas which are lemons and jaguars which hit the 300,000 mile mark without any issues, but statistics doesn't lie....a fact which casinos are very thankful for.

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    it'll probably be fine within the warranty period though

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    Quote Originally Posted by joekitch View Post
    i'd be very careful with that car, both truedelta and consumer reports are putting it below average in reliability, and both of these sources tend to be pretty accurate as a whole.
    you might have gotten lucky, there as such things as hondas which are lemons and jaguars which hit the 300,000 mile mark without any issues, but statistics doesn't lie....a fact which casinos are very thankful for.

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    it'll probably be fine within the warranty period though
    I hear where you are coming from. With that said I listen to Consumer Reports and "independent survey companies" about as much as I listen to my mother try to give me fantasy football advice. My wife bought a CR high-rated printer for the house that died 2 days after we bought it. Aside from questions of validity over the years from companies like CR, think about how small of a sample size they are getting from an already low-volume niche car. From the NY Times:

    When Consumer Reports issued its 2012 Annual Auto Reliability Survey on Monday, the big news was that Ford had slid once again in the rankings, coming to rest in 27th place out of 28 brands included in the analysis.

    That news also placed a focus on Jaguar, which was at the bottom of the list for the second consecutive year.

    It all seemed so clear, unless one was also familiar with several studies done by J.D. Power & Associates, the market research firm.

    Then one might say: “Wait a minute. I thought Jaguar had done well recently.”

    And it had done well in one of those studies. The J.D. Power 2012 Initial Quality Study put Jaguar in the No. 2 spot (tied with Porsche) just behind the first-place Lexus.
    What I do think is interesting is that "cooling system" and "squeaks & rattles / body hardware" ranked very low. There are two TSBs out to replace the early 2010 water pumps and to repair clips in the hardware of noisy sunroofs.

    Before I buy any car I join or lurk on enthusiast forums for a couple of months to really get a feel for what needs to be replaced / watched out for. I am a member on the Lexus, Subaru, Corvette, Acura TL, Mustang, Cadillac and Jaguar forums. If you look at just the first page of this subforum you will see that the CTS has its fair share of issues. I knew this going into the purchase but I really liked the included amenities and looks of the car...I also knew that I was going to trade the car at about the 2 year mark anyway. I was just genuinely surprised that I had so many issues come up so quickly.

    I plan to keep this Jag for a while, so not only is it CPO I also negotiated in a 6 year 100K warranty from date of delivery

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    And then there are BMW issues that bug their owners so much they smash their cars with sledgehammers

    http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...uto-show-video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFEvz...nk&app=desktop

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    Looks good how about an interior shot?
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