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    Re: Holy Oil Consumption Bat Man!

    Just went out to the garage and checked the oil(car has been parked since last night) and the dip stick was bone dry! Tried it 3 times and only got a bit of oil on the very tip of it. OLM says I'm at 38%. When I bought the car in August it had 40K and now has 45K. Per the dealer's little window sticker, they did an oil change in July(likely when they got the car in their inventory). So this is a bit concerning. My LS which has 129K on it and has 5K change intervals has never used any oil. There were a few times I was even over the 5K mark and it was still full. Same with my Infiniti, although it had shorter intervals(3075 miles).

    So now I'm wondering, do I go ahead and change the oil or top it off and wait until the OLM says change it? If I'm going to have to use synthetic(which the car recommends) and pay the higher price, I'd like to enjoy the benefits of longer oil change intervals. Looking at the service history on my vehicle, both the recall for premature timing chain wear has been done as well as the actual timing chain was replaced.

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    Re: Holy Oil Consumption Bat Man!

    Quote Originally Posted by RippyPartsDept View Post
    i'm pretty sure that engine oil consumption is directly related to the break-in procedure (or lack thereof) when the engine was new
    Like much of what’s posted on internet forums, that’s theoretical BS.

    Even if design and manufacturing advances were to eliminate the need for "break-in," automakers would persist with it because "break-in" is such a great catch-all for blaming the customer for myriad design and manfacturing anomalies - including excessive oil consumption. Yeah, that’s my theory.

    Now back to reality. My CTS was specified, ordered, built, and delivered new to the-one-and-only-original-owner me. Owner’s Manual break-in procedures were strictly observed. And, yet, my CTS always consumed oil, initially about 0.5qt. and now about 1qt. in 2Kmi.

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    New Vehicle Break-In
    Notice: Your vehicle does not need an elaborate break-in. But it will perform better in the long run if you follow these guidelines for the first 500 miles (805 km):
    Do not drive at any one constant speed, fast or slow.
    Do not exceed 70 mph (113 km/h).
    Do not make full-throttle starts; also refrain from using the full throttle while driving.
    Avoid downshifting to brake or slow the vehicle. If these procedures are not followed, the engine, axle, or other parts could be damaged.
    Avoid making hard stops for the first 200 miles (322 km) or so. During this time the new brake linings are not yet broken in. Hard stops with new linings can mean premature wear and earlier replacement. Follow this break-in guideline every time you get new linings.
    Do not tow a trailer during break-in. See Towing a Trailer on page 4-29 for the trailer towing capabilities of your vehicle and more information.
    Following break-in, engine speed and load can be gradually increased.


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    Re: Holy Oil Consumption Bat Man!

    Quote Originally Posted by ctsfan2009 View Post
    Just went out to the garage and checked the oil(car has been parked since last night) and the dip stick was bone dry! Tried it 3 times and only got a bit of oil on the very tip of it . . .

    So now I'm wondering, do I go ahead and change the oil or top it off and wait until the OLM says change it? . . .
    First, you might want to idle or drive your car for a few miles until the engine coolant temperature gauge rises to its normal operating range (>200°F), then switch the engine off and wait at least 15 minutes to allow oil drainage back into the crankcase and to achieve the best possible condition (warm, not cold) for an accurate dip stick reading.

    Your engine oil level may or may not be as low as you thought. Regardless, I’d just top it off for now and check it every 1Kmi. or thereabouts. Just my 2¢.

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    Re: Holy Oil Consumption Bat Man!

    I did check it again, about 30 minutes after driving and dip stick was still bone dry. Added 1 quart of Mobil 1, drove it around today and checked it again tonight and oil level is back between the cross hatch marks. Considering I'm more than 1/2 way to an oil change(38% life), 1 quart isn't too bad if that is the only oil I have to add between now and the change.

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    Re: Holy Oil Consumption Bat Man!

    1 Quart of oil consumed in 5000 miles driving isn't really all that much consumption ... probably average for these engines
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    Re: Holy Oil Consumption Bat Man!

    Quote Originally Posted by RippyPartsDept View Post
    1 Quart of oil consumed in 5000 miles driving isn't really all that much consumption ... probably average for these engines
    I agree. This is what my is using. One important factor to consider is how the car is driven, where (what cliamte), quality of oil etc. I would not be concerned with 1 gt of oil every 5,000 miles.

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    Re: Holy Oil Consumption Bat Man!

    I just did my first oil changed this past weekend on the newly aquired 2010 CTS 3.6DI at 7K miles and it was a quart low after drain and filled with new mobile syn 5w-30 gold from walmart and a fram oil filter. From checking the dipstick I would have never guess I was 1 quart low. This was with the engine sitting overnight in the garage. The dipstick showed half way between the marks and the oil looked clean against the white paper towel. But I went ahead and changed the oil and it was dark brown.

    I do have to say its the best oil change I have ever done. Really nice touch with the oil filter. I always hated my infiniti m35 and chevy avalanche's filter. This one is clean with no drips. Just a little tight to get the cap off.

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    Re: Holy Oil Consumption Bat Man!

    fyi


    #01-06-01-011F: Information on Engine Oil Consumption Guidelines - (Jan 13, 2009)

    Subject: Information on Engine Oil Consumption Guidelines

    Models: 2009 and Prior GM Passenger Cars and Gasoline-Powered Light Duty Trucks Under 8500 LB GVW (Including Saturn)

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    This bulletin is being revised to update the warranty information on vehicles and add model years. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 01-06-01-011E (Section 06 -- Engine/Propulsion System).
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    All engines require oil to lubricate and protect the load bearing and internal moving parts from wear including cylinder walls, pistons and piston rings. When a piston moves down its cylinder, a thin film of oil is left on the cylinder wall. During the power stroke, part of this oil layer is consumed in the combustion process. As a result, varying rates of oil consumption are accepted as normal in all engines.

    Oil Consumption
    The accepted rate of oil consumption for engines used in the vehicles referenced is 0.946 liter (1 qt) in 3200 km (2000 mi).

    Important: This rate only applies to personal use vehicles, under warranty, that are driven in a non-aggressive manner and maintained in accordance with the appropriate maintenance schedule, with less than 58,000 km (36,000 mi), or driven at legal speeds in an unloaded (for trucks) condition.

    Important: This rate does not apply to vehicles that are driven in an aggressive manner, at high RPM, high speeds, or in a loaded condition (for trucks). Oil consumption for vehicles driven under these conditions will be more.

    Many factors can affect a customer's concern with oil consumption. Driving habits and vehicle maintenance vary from owner to owner. Thoroughly evaluate each case before deciding whether the vehicle in question has abnormal engine oil consumption.

    Gasket and External Leaks
    Inspect the oil pan and engine covers for leakage due to over-tightened, damaged, or out of place gaskets. Inspect oil lines and fittings for signs of leakage.

    Improper Reading of the Oil Level Indicator (Dipstick)
    Verify that the dipstick tube is fully seated in the block. When checking the oil level, make sure the dipstick is wiped clean before taking an oil level reading and fully depress the dipstick until the shoulder bottoms out on the dipstick tube. The dipstick should be the proper part number for the engine/vehicle that is being checked.

    Notice: Operating your vehicle with an oil level that is below the minimum level indicated on the engine oil dipstick can result in severe engine damage. Repairs resulting from operating an engine with insufficient oil are not covered under the terms of the New Vehicle Warranty.

    Important: Refer to Owner Manual in SI for checking and adding engine oil.

    Not Waiting Long Enough After Running Engine to Check Oil Level
    Some engines require more time than others for the oil to drain back into the crankcase. To assure a sufficient amount of oil has drained back to the crankcase, and an accurate reading can be obtained, the vehicle should be allowed to sit for at least 15 minutes, after the engine has been shut off, before taking an oil level reading. In order to ensure accurate results, the temperature of the oil should be close to the same temperature as the last time the oil level was checked.

    Important: This does not apply to 2006-2009 Corvette Z06 equipped with the 7.0L LS7 and the 2009 Corvette ZR-1 with the 6.2L LS9 engines (dry sump). Follow the instructions in the Owner Manual for checking the oil in this application.

    Improper Oil Fill After an Oil Change
    Following an oil change, verify that the proper amount and type of oil was put in the engine and that the oil level on the dipstick is not above the full mark or below the add marks. Refer to the Owner Manual or Service Manual for information on recommended oil quantity, viscosity, and quality.

    Aggressive Driving, High Speed or High RPM Driving
    Aggressive driving and/or continuous driving at high speeds/high RPMs will increase oil consumption. Because this may not always be an everyday occurrence, it is hard to determine exactly how much the oil economy will be affected.

    A higher rate of oil consumption is normal for vehicles equipped with manual transmissions that are driven aggressively. By "aggressive," we mean operation at high RPM (3,000 RPM to redline), with frequent use of engine braking (using the engine to slow the vehicle). Vehicles that are driven aggressively may consume engine oil at a rate of up to 0.946 L (1 quart) every 805 km (500 mi). This is normal for a vehicle that is driven aggressively. No repair is necessary. This characteristic does, however, require the owner to check the engine oil level at sufficiently frequent intervals, especially when driving aggressively, to assure the oil level remains within the recommended operating range. As the Owner’s Manual recommends, you should check the oil level every time you get fuel.

    Towing or Heavy Usage
    Towing a trailer will increase oil consumption and may cause oil consumption to fall below the normal accepted rate referenced in this bulletin for an unloaded vehicle in a personal use application. Large frontal area trailers will further increase the work required from the engine, especially at highway speeds, and thus increases the rate of oil consumption.

    Crankcase Ventilation System
    Verify that the positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) system is operating properly. Blockages, restrictions, or damage to the PCV system can result in increased oil use.

    Oil Dilution (Fuel and Water)
    On vehicles that are usually driven short distances, less than 8 km (5 mi), especially in colder weather, unburned fuel and condensation generated from cold engine operation may not get hot enough to evaporate out of the oil. When this occurs, the dipstick may indicate that the oil level is over-full. Subsequent driving on a trip of sufficient length to enable normal engine operating temperature for 30 minutes or more, in order to vaporize excess moisture and fuel, may give the customer the impression of excessive oil consumption.

    Engine Temperature
    If an engine is run at overheated temperatures (see Owner's Manual or Service Manual) for more than brief periods, oil will oxidize at a faster than normal rate. In addition, gaskets may distort, piston rings may stick, and excessive wear may result. Verify that all cooling system components are in proper working order.

    Engine Wear
    Piston scuffing, excessive piston-to-wall clearance, tapered or out of round cylinders, worn, damaged or improperly installed valve guides, seals and piston rings will all cause an increase in oil consumption.

    Measurement of Oil Consumption
    Engines require a period of time to BREAK IN so that moving parts are properly seated. Therefore, oil economy should not be tested until the vehicle has accumulated at least 6400 km (4000 mi). An exception would be allowed only if an engine is reported to be using more than 0.946 liter (1 qt) in 1600 km (1000 mi).

    Verify that the engine has no external leaks. Repair as necessary.
    Verify that the engine is at normal operating temperature (see Owner's Manual or Service Manual).
    Park the vehicle on a level surface.
    Wait at least 15 minutes, after the engine is shut off, before checking the oil level to make sure that the oil has had time to drain back into the crankcase.
    Verify that the oil level is at, but not above, the full mark on the dipstick, and that the proper viscosity and quality oil are being used as recommended in the Owner's Manual.
    Record the vehicle mileage, date, and exact oil level on the form included in this bulletin.
    Ask the customer to verify the oil level, each time the vehicle is fueled, following steps 1-6 and return the vehicle to the dealership if the oil level is found at or below the add mark, 0.946 liter (1 qt) low. If the oil level remains above the add mark, the customer should continue to operate the vehicle and verify the engine oil level until 3200 km (2000 mi) has accumulated before returning to the dealership for a final evaluation.
    If the final evaluation shows that the engine uses more than 0.946 liter (1 qt) in 3200 km (2000 mi), follow the published symptom diagnostics as described in the appropriate Service Manual. If the oil consumption test shows that the engine uses less than 0.946 liter (1 qt) in 3200 km (2000 mi), explain to the customer that their engine meets the guidelines for oil consumption.

    Oil Economy Test -- Data Sheet

    Dealer Name: _________________________________

    Customer Name: _________________________________

    Phone: (___)____-_______ Phone: (___)____-_______

    VIN: ____________________________

    Oil Type Used: ____________________

    R.O. #: ___________________

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    Mileage
    Oil Level
    Driving Conditions

    (City, Highway, Both)
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    Re: Holy Oil Consumption Bat Man!

    Andrew,

    Your experience confirms what I was told by the Cadillac dealer Svc Mgr where I get my oil & filter changed. "FULL" is at the cross mark just below and adjacent to the upper cross-hatched area on the dip stick, not at the midpoint between the two cross-hatched areas.

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    Re: Holy Oil Consumption Bat Man!

    Quote Originally Posted by 928S View Post
    Owner’s Manual break-in procedures were strictly observed. And, yet, my CTS always consumed oil, initially about 0.5qt. and now about 1qt. in 2Kmi.
    I'm curious, what does the Owners manual say about the break in? Is it something along the line of 'be gentle, no heavy acceleration, etc for x miles'? There are two schools of thought regarding break in. One says that you should be gentle and let everything 'seat'. The other says how an engine is broken in will determine how it'll run all it's life. If it's broken in gently, it won't run as strong as if it was run hard from the start. Google 'motoman break in' for an interesting read. I personally don't have any proof to his claims, but when I get the motors for my car and truck built, I intend to follow his procedure. If something's going to break, it's going to break, and no amount of being gentle will change that.

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    Re: Holy Oil Consumption Bat Man!

    Cougar281, post #17 has the info you're looking for
    Quote Originally Posted by 928S View Post
    New Vehicle Break-In
    Notice: Your vehicle does not need an elaborate break-in. But it will perform better in the long run if you follow these guidelines for the first 500 miles (805 km):
    Do not drive at any one constant speed, fast or slow.
    Do not exceed 70 mph (113 km/h).
    Do not make full-throttle starts; also refrain from using the full throttle while driving.
    Avoid downshifting to brake or slow the vehicle. If these procedures are not followed, the engine, axle, or other parts could be damaged.
    Avoid making hard stops for the first 200 miles (322 km) or so. During this time the new brake linings are not yet broken in. Hard stops with new linings can mean premature wear and earlier replacement. Follow this break-in guideline every time you get new linings.
    Do not tow a trailer during break-in. See Towing a Trailer on page 4-29 for the trailer towing capabilities of your vehicle and more information.
    Following break-in, engine speed and load can be gradually increased.


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    Re: Holy Oil Consumption Bat Man!

    Quote Originally Posted by RippyPartsDept View Post
    Cougar281, post #17 has the info you're looking for
    Oops... Sorry I missed that... Didn't even notice it. I totally ignored the smaller red text because due to the smaller size, differnet color and placement, I thought it was a signature.

    When I bought my truck 8 years ago, before I learned as much as I have about engines since then, I broke it in gently...It runs good and compression is good and relatively even across all cylinders, but I have a LOT of blowby. Wheather or not it's fromt he 'gentle break in', I don't know, but like I said, I'm going to use Motomans method and run it hard from the start once I have the new engine built.

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    Re: Holy Oil Consumption Bat Man!

    Yeah, the above break-in procedure was copied from 2008 CTS Owner's Manual, page 2-31.

    Cougar281,

    Hmm..."motoman's break-in procedure" seems to be the exact opposite of GM's recommendation. All I can say is that many years ago I bought a new Nissan Z from a dealer who sent an unemployed guy hundreds of miles to another state via Greyhound bus to retrieve the vehicle. On the return drive in my new car, no doubt the "motoman break-in" was performed...lol...and thereafter the car never burned a drop between scheduled oil changes!

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    Re: Holy Oil Consumption Bat Man!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar281 View Post
    Oops... Sorry I missed that... Didn't even notice it. I totally ignored the smaller red text because due to the smaller size, differnet color and placement, I thought it was a signature.
    that's ok, i almost did the exact same thing for the exact same reasons

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    as for the hard break-in procedure aka "motoman's break-in"

    i've heard other people use this method to pretty good success

    in post #12 i wasn't necessarily speaking in terms of GM's recommendations for break-in but more in the general sense that those first thousand (give or take 500) miles are relevant to how much oil is consumed
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    Re: Holy Oil Consumption Bat Man!

    This debate is probably found somewhere on EVERY car forum on the net! (And it's funny how often that motoman guy's pages are cited, too. I've seen it at least 4 times now with 4 different vehicles I've owned and joined forums for.)

    The best explanation I've been able to get on all of this came from a mechanic who said, essentially, it probably doesn't make much difference how you break a car in these days.

    1. All the theory people like motoman discuss, about cross-hatch patterns in the cylinder walls that are worn down in the first 20-25 miles of driving (and therefore necessary to make use of right away with a hard break-in, to get those rings sealed) don't typically apply to cars or trucks these days, because such patterns aren't even employed anymore. That would still apply to smaller motorcycle engines -- but not an engine like what's in our Cadillac.
    2. The instructions to go gentle on a new engine is probably just old advice that used to be much more important than it is today. But for a car-manufacturer, it's convenient to have people following it because if something really is mechanically wrong from the factory, you're more likely to do more expensive damage to the new, defective engine if you run it hard when it fails. They'd like to minimize their costs to make their mistakes right, basically.

    All in all, modern engines SHOULD be built with exacting tolerances and no need for any special break-in procedures, other than doing that initial oil change after a very short time interval, so you empty out any metal shavings or other particles that might have been left behind during that brand new engine's assembly. If one burns oil and another doesn't, years later? I doubt your driving style during the break-in, hard OR gentle, contributed much of anything to those results.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar281 View Post
    I'm curious, what does the Owners manual say about the break in? Is it something along the line of 'be gentle, no heavy acceleration, etc for x miles'? There are two schools of thought regarding break in. One says that you should be gentle and let everything 'seat'. The other says how an engine is broken in will determine how it'll run all it's life. If it's broken in gently, it won't run as strong as if it was run hard from the start. Google 'motoman break in' for an interesting read. I personally don't have any proof to his claims, but when I get the motors for my car and truck built, I intend to follow his procedure. If something's going to break, it's going to break, and no amount of being gentle will change that.

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