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2004-2007 Cadillac CTS-V Performance Mods Discussion, Tire Help! from the pro's in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2004 - 2007; Firestone Firehawk Wide Oval Indy 500 $165 per with free alignment check Size: 245/45R18 Sidewall Style: Blackwall Serv. Desc: 100W ...
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    Tire Help! from the pro's

    Firestone Firehawk Wide Oval Indy 500 $165 per with free alignment check
    Size: 245/45R18
    Sidewall Style: Blackwall
    Serv. Desc: 100W
    Load Range: XL
    UTQG: 320 A A

    Michelin Pilot Super Sport $226 per with $70 set of 4
    Size: 245/45ZR18
    Sidewall Style: Blackwall
    Serv. Desc: (100Y)
    Load Range: XL
    UTQG: 300 AA A

    Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus $230 per with $70 set of 4
    Size: 245/45ZR18
    Sidewall Style: Blackwall
    Serv. Desc: 96Y
    UTQG: 500 AA A

    OK! So I'm tire shopping and need help fairly quick if possible please...

    I'm going to get a great deal on the firestones if I go in today and get them, but I'm not sure it'll be worth it. I'm a huge michelin pilot fan, especially on my motorcycles... But I'm worried about the tread wear ratings. The 300 aa a (michelin) seams to be better then the 320 a a (firestone)... But the 500 aa a would be optimal, correct? The lower first number means it will wear more for less longevity...? Traction also less...

    The price is going to be half for a set of 4 with alignment... but I'm unsure I'll be content with this tire... I'm really in the market for these super sports... hmmm

    Thanks for any timely help!

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    Re: Tire Help! from the pro's

    You cannot compare those numbers across brands.

    I have the Michelin Super Sports and love the grip. I have not had them long enough to report on mileage.

    I don't think A/S Plus will provide enough grip for my tastes, but I don't know hard you drive around corners.

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    Re: Tire Help! from the pro's

    I thought we had 19 inch rims

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    The lower the number the more grip, but the less mileage u get.

    I had hankook rs3 also goodyear f1 all seasons toyo r888 and now michelin pilot sports

    The heat melt my tires regardless of the numbers so couldnt comment on mileage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motown Cad View Post
    I thought we had 19 inch rims
    What are you smokin'?
    Motown Cad and Motown Cad like this.

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    You appear to be shopping purely on price?

    Those are three completely different tires.
    The Firestone is a mid level summer tire, the Super Sports are one of the best summer tires you can buy and then you have an all season?

    What do you plan on using the tires for? How do you drive? Do you want to get 10k or 30k out of these tires? Do you need/want an all season?

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    Re: Tire Help! from the pro's

    Quote Originally Posted by Cadispeedster View Post
    OK! So I'm tire shopping and need help fairly quick if possible please...

    I'm going to get a great deal on the firestones if I go in today and get them, but I'm not sure it'll be worth it.
    I'm not sure what recommendations you were expecting from anyone since, as Andringa pointed out, you've listed 3 very different tires and haven't given us any idea what you want from your tires. Longevity? Quiet ride? Maximum cornering grip? Great wet performance? The ability to handle cold weather and mild winter conditions? etc etc...
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    Re: Tire Help! from the pro's

    Quote Originally Posted by AAIIIC View Post
    I'm not sure what recommendations you were expecting from anyone since, as Andringa pointed out, you've listed 3 very different tires and haven't given us any idea what you want from your tires. Longevity? Quiet ride? Maximum cornering grip? Great wet performance? The ability to handle cold weather and mild winter conditions? etc etc...
    Quote Originally Posted by Andringa View Post
    You appear to be shopping purely on price?

    Those are three completely different tires.
    The Firestone is a mid level summer tire, the Super Sports are one of the best summer tires you can buy and then you have an all season?

    What do you plan on using the tires for? How do you drive? Do you want to get 10k or 30k out of these tires? Do you need/want an all season?
    Thanks all...

    And yeah you two guys are right. But I was asking mainly what the difference in the tread wear, more or less would I be happy with the firestones performance with a less tread wear. Quiet would be nice, but... Firestone was claiming that there tires where just as good as the michelins because they're researched from indy races. idk... But I decided not to go with them, I don't think I'd be happy with them. All in all I'm looking for something best of all worlds more or less a great all around tire. However, I'm not sure I'll be happy with anything else then the super sports, which I have on my other car and a similar type tire on my bike. Everything is important, but the most in my mind, being a high performance car, is performance...

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    I have had a few sets of Hankook rs3 tires on my other car. When my Michelins (that came on the V when I got it) run out I'm going to probably go with the hankooks. I had them on my Cobalt and they held up to a lot of abuse and I still got 25k out of em for the commute (40 miles each way on an interstate). All in all a pretty good all arounder. I like the Michelin cups but last time I priced them they were like $100 more per tire than the Hankooks and the little extra performance wasn't worth that much IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadispeedster View Post

    Thanks all...

    And yeah you two guys are right. But I was asking mainly what the difference in the tread wear, more or less would I be happy with the firestones performance with a less tread wear. Quiet would be nice, but... Firestone was claiming that there tires where just as good as the michelins because they're researched from indy races. idk... But I decided not to go with them, I don't think I'd be happy with them. All in all I'm looking for something best of all worlds more or less a great all around tire. However, I'm not sure I'll be happy with anything else then the super sports, which I have on my other car and a similar type tire on my bike. Everything is important, but the most in my mind, being a high performance car, is performance...
    OK, Firestone can claim they get research back from Indy races.

    Michelin gets research back from F1 races. /conversation

    Not only did Michelin get research back from F1, F1 tried to reduce speeds years back running on small rims. The tires had to have large sidewalls. When I put PS2s on my '04 V, I was amazed at how well they communicated exactly what the tire was doing, at all times. I feel like I've got a really good feel on how my cars drive and handle, and their limits. It was like those PS2s were talking to me.

    Until I drive a tire that hits me the way that one did, I'll always favor PS2s and PSSs...

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    I had a set of Pilot Sport 2 and then potenza RE760 Sport (rated just above the firestones in their category on tire rack #2 vs #3).

    There was no comparison in grip or communication as TheBigJimSHO pointed out.

    That is why I have a set of PSS waiting to go on when the 760s are done.

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    Re: Tire Help! from the pro's

    I've never had a set of the various Pilots (PS, PS2, now PSS), but they've been the top tire for all-around performance for a while. And now the PSS has a 30k mile tread wear warranty - the first (and I believe still the only) max performance summer tire to offer one.
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    Yea but its all in how you drive them. If you are on a track they will probably pro rate the replacement of the tires. Which is awesome either way, who is gonna turn down a discount on new tires? Not I!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyRidesMotoX View Post
    Yea but its all in how you drive them. If you are on a track they will probably pro rate the replacement of the tires. Which is awesome either way, who is gonna turn down a discount on new tires? Not I!
    Actually track use or competitive use voids the mileage warranty.

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    Re: Tire Help! from the pro's

    Quote Originally Posted by Andringa View Post
    Actually track use or competitive use voids the mileage warranty.
    How would the tire shop or Michelin know?

    To the OP, I have PS2 on now and they're more grip and better wear than the Goodyear F1 GS D3 that was on my V when I bought it. I really like the better grip of the Dunlop Star Specs but they went fast....and the PS2s just happen to be on the extra set of wheels that I bought. For all those people across other forums that I'm on love the PSS, it seems to be the current best bang for buck and grip (and mileage? ) tire out there.

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