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2004-2007 Cadillac CTS-V Performance Mods Discussion, Over Steer in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2004 - 2007; I am looking to setup a 2004 V for track. I want to totally elimate any chance of over steer. ...
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    Over Steer

    I am looking to setup a 2004 V for track. I want to totally elimate any chance of over steer. Bigger rear tires, smaller front tires, less rear bar. Anything to keep the rear from stepping out.
    Since I am new to V's, what is the standard setup for the suspension, on a road course.

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    Re: Over Steer

    Leave Stability Control on. Done.

    Seriously, it's a production sedan. GM designed it for the average incompetent driver to not kill themself. Regardless of how much you try to "oversteer-proof" the car, if you drive it wrong, it'll still oversteer. I guess I just don't understand the point of the question.

    I run a square wheel/tire setup on track, and have a larger (Hotchkis) rear sway bar with the stock front bar, and the car still understeers.
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    Re: Over Steer

    Quote Originally Posted by the blur View Post
    I am looking to setup a 2004 V for track. I want to totally elimate any chance of over steer. Bigger rear tires, smaller front tires, less rear bar. Anything to keep the rear from stepping out.
    Since I am new to V's, what is the standard setup for the suspension, on a road course.

    thanks!!!
    I wouldn't change anything until you actually drive it on track.

    What makes you think that your V has too much oversteer?

    I think that the majority of us run basically stock suspension on the road course. The most common suspension mods are probably sway bars and lowering springs. The springs are probably more for looks than performance. People that track their cars more than a few times a year usually end up upgrading shocks to something that is adjustable. The KW V3 coilover setup is very popular and can be had for ~$2k.

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    Re: Over Steer

    Yea give us some more info. Are you going on track for your first time? Any experience on the track in any car? I feel it's always best to learn on what you have then make tweaks. Like aaiiic said if you can drive any car into a not so friendly situation.

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    Re: Over Steer

    Over steer won't be a problem. Most of us are trying to figure out how to get the car to stop pushing. If you're just getting on the track with a V1 you won't need to be concerned that the car has a propensity to over steer. It doesn't, unless you run out of skill, which is how most of us get into trouble.

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    After going from all red cars to a fwd turbo car I can't wait to get on the track, remove the traction control off and step the back end out around a few turns.

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    Re: Over Steer

    The only oversteer you will experience in the V is power oversteer. So if you get on it too early out of an exit yes it will start oversteer, however with stability control on it generally limits that.

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    Re: Over Steer

    Take a look at some of the videos at this thread. You will see that you really only get in trouble when you don't drive correctly for the turn. At least that's what my case was lol. Like stated above under steer will be more important to dial in.

    http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...vids-here.html[COLOR="Silver"]

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    Re: Over Steer

    It only overseers because of throttle-on oversteer. Its not the suspension, tires, alignment. Do more DE events.

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    Re: Over Steer

    The first instinct of the car will be to understeer due to being nose heavy. HOWEVER, the instant you're hard off the power, or braking mid-corner, that is going to induce oversteer. So is gasing it hard mid corner or even sometimes at the exit, depending on how you're angled.

    The #1 mod you can do in the V, is the driver. Practice with it a bit on the track before you start throwing money at mods.

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    Re: Over Steer

    If you spend some time with the V on a skidpad and autocross course you can learn your driving limits at lower speeds, before you run higher speeds on a road course.

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    Well I'm going to the first track day in the v this month at a small track near my house. We will see what happens.
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    Re: Over Steer

    Quote Originally Posted by RyRidesMotoX View Post
    Well I'm going to the first track day in the v this month at a small track near my house. We will see what happens.
    The worst part about snow is knowing that other people are going to track days while you are shoveling the crap off your driveway.
    Hope you have a great time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andringa View Post
    The worst part about snow is knowing that other people are going to track days while you are shoveling the crap off your driveway.
    Hope you have a great time!
    Haha yea I can sympathize with that. Its not a spectacular track but its close and its cheap. I have 2 cameras so I'll try and get some filming in.

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    Re: Over Steer

    One would think the OP would come back to discuss this further.
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