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2004-2007 Cadillac CTS-V Performance Mods Discussion, Pacesetter headers? in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2004 - 2007; Originally Posted by darkman In your hypothetical - do Billy Boat, TPIS Inc., and Stainless Steel Works also NOT exist? ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkman View Post
    In your hypothetical - do Billy Boat, TPIS Inc., and Stainless Steel Works also NOT exist?
    As stated above, "less then $1,000". All those mentioned are above that mark. Not willing to spend $1k or more on exhaust headers for a car. My original question was to determine a purchase between OBX and Pacesetter headers. I thought this was a forum to get help and info/opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcaddy06

    As stated above, "less then $1,000". All those mentioned are above that mark. Not willing to spend $1k or more on exhaust headers for a car. My original question was to determine a purchase between OBX and Pacesetter headers. I thought this was a forum to get help and info/opinion.
    My kooks were 939 coated and shipped. That's under a thousand. Seems like a pretty good deal to me. Unless you're just bent on putting lower quality on your car

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    If 939 isn't far enough under your budget of 1000 u can call them and they nock some more off if you don't get them coated

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    Re: Pacesetter headers?

    i would probably go with OBX over Pace Setter based on the larger primaries (even with the smaller collector) and the stainless steel composition.

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    Re: Pacesetter headers?

    Just be careful with how you save your money, there are a few parts you can save money on, and others its just not worth the risk...

    If you search all header kits come with horror stories, but its the aftersales support from the manufacture that makes the difference.

    I have heard nuttin but bad reviews with Pacesetters, OBX is close, but has a better aftersales support.

    Kooks and American racing are the top dogs with the highest prices. However, presently i am pissed at Kooks for they lied about the availability of my last set of headers i want to buy...Tryin to upgrade my tahoe from 1 3/4 to 1 7/8 they said in stock and if i order they will get them coated and ready to ship by Feb 28, today we are the 13th of March and i am waitin on plain none coated headers to be delivered...I hate backorders

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    Common! Someone has to have headers for $200! This is America. Cheap is free!

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    I have a Geo Metro and I refuse to spend more than $125 for headers!

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    Re: Pacesetter headers?

    I realize I'm late to the party on this... I put Pacesetters on my '05 several years ago, ~$450 shipped.

    Within ~3 months (winter driving) the coating had bubbled severly on the bottom where they were most exposed to winter slop from the roads. A couple phone calls got me no where with the vendor. I'm still running them headers, aside from looking terrible from the bottom (but how many of us can say we don't....) they function just fine.

    Given a do-over, I'd proly save my pennies for another brand. Maybe make my own from a DIY kit. They were great bang for the buck, but cosmetically.... a big fail.

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    Re: Pacesetter headers?

    I don't particularly understand all the hate and discontent directed towards the lower priced headers. There are a helluva lot more cars and trucks on the road with "cheap" headers (Pacesetter, Hedman, whatever) than there are with expensive ones (Kooks, B&B, etc). If they had been available when I was shopping, I probably would've picked up a set of the Pacesetters and gotten them Swain Tech coated (as I did with my Kooks). I had a metallic-ceramic coated mild steel header on my Subaru for years with no issues (including New England winters), so IMO there's absolutely no reason to worry about the Pacesetter headers if you get them coated.

    I'm sure the Kooks are "better", but what does that really mean - 5 or 10hp? Meh, it's not a difference I would ever feel.
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    Re: Pacesetter headers?

    bad links sorry guys. wrong part numbers.

    What else do you need to connect to a stock non Corsa system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AAIIIC View Post
    I don't particularly understand all the hate and discontent directed towards the lower priced headers. There are a helluva lot more cars and trucks on the road with "cheap" headers (Pacesetter, Hedman, whatever) than there are with expensive ones (Kooks, B&B, etc). If they had been available when I was shopping, I probably would've picked up a set of the Pacesetters and gotten them Swain Tech coated (as I did with my Kooks). I had a metallic-ceramic coated mild steel header on my Subaru for years with no issues (including New England winters), so IMO there's absolutely no reason to worry about the Pacesetter headers if you get them coated.

    I'm sure the Kooks are "better", but what does that really mean - 5 or 10hp? Meh, it's not a difference I would ever feel.
    Then why do headers at all?

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    Guys just remember you get what you pay for and dont expect anything more or less than that. I went with Kooks 1 7/8 from Maryland Speed for $840 shipped.

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    Re: Pacesetter headers?

    Quote Originally Posted by AAIIIC View Post
    I don't particularly understand all the hate and discontent directed towards the lower priced headers. There are a helluva lot more cars and trucks on the road with "cheap" headers (Pacesetter, Hedman, whatever) than there are with expensive ones (Kooks, B&B, etc). If they had been available when I was shopping, I probably would've picked up a set of the Pacesetters and gotten them Swain Tech coated (as I did with my Kooks). I had a metallic-ceramic coated mild steel header on my Subaru for years with no issues (including New England winters), so IMO there's absolutely no reason to worry about the Pacesetter headers if you get them coated.

    I'm sure the Kooks are "better", but what does that really mean - 5 or 10hp? Meh, it's not a difference I would ever feel.
    Agreed. I personally have seen my setup of just headers with stock exhaust putting out more hp on the same dyno then others with Kooks. I think its such a small difference, it may not even matter.

    I mean, i see guys going 1 7/8 headers on bone stock\light bolt on NA setups... bigger doesn't necessarily mean better either.
    I think the Pacesetters work great for what they are. I've had them in for about a year, and I've been tuned since Sept with 0 issues. No leaks, no nothing. Wrapped and working perfect.

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    Bigger is not always better but Im planning on a cam and head swap so the smaller headers will leave power on the table.

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    Re: Pacesetter headers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Cornett View Post
    Bigger is not always better but Im planning on a cam and head swap so the smaller headers will leave power on the table.
    Not necessarily either. This comes to mind.
    http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...xperience.html

    Everyone's build is different, but 1 3/4 Pacesetters work perfectly fine on many other LSx cars. Too many people downplay them here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho View Post
    Common! Someone has to have headers for $200! This is America. Cheap is free!

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    I have a Geo Metro and I refuse to spend more than $125 for headers!
    You're just pathetic. All you're doing is causing drama buddy. Move along.

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    Friend of mine has an '05 GTO with jet black pacesetter headers and he hasn't had one problem in almost a two years. No corrosion (we live on the east coast of south Florida, salty air), no leaks, nothing. To me, exhaust is just an exhaust, I'm looking for a little jump in power, but mostly sound. I don't track my car so going all out on $1000-$1500 exhaust headers is a total waste when $300-$500 headers can get practically the same thing. One last thing, "to each their own". Don't knock the way someone wants to upgrade their car...

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